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Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by searchableguy on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:58AM (#24614137)
Ban all Chinese apps?
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by LadyCailin on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:09AM (#24614202)
Yeah. I don’t buy this argument until they ban all Chinese apps. As far as I can tell, it’s just a way to cut off younger voter’s access to information that is critical of Trump. And that’s a generous reading.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by benjamoon on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:28AM (#24614308)
There’s an absolute ton of pro Trump material on TikTok made by young people.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by kenjackson on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:01AM (#24617357)
A LOT more that is anti-Trump I suspect.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by kevinventullo on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:42PM (#24619262)
I use both Reddit and TikTok, and I would say Reddit is far more overtly liberal leaning by default, with pockets of right leaning folks. Reddit or Facebook are also much more natural meeting places which can foster discussion or even event planning. In contrast, comment threads on TikTok are kind of a mess; it's more of a broadcast platform.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by jowday on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:50AM (#24614470)
Isn't QAnon huge on TikTok?
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by robertlagrant on Monday September 28, 2020 @06:06AM (#24614970)
> it’s just a way to cut off younger voter’s access to information that is critical of Trump

It may be a bad idea to do it, but this isn't the reason.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by miki123211 on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:08AM (#24614589)
The only reason Trump has been able to pull this off is the fact that minors can't vote.

If you deny voting rights to a certain group of people, politicians just don't have to care about them at all. They can do things that hurt that group, and no one is going to hold them accountable.

At this point, I believe we should stop discriminating based on age.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by shripadk on Monday September 28, 2020 @06:59AM (#24615304)
> At this point, I believe we should stop discriminating based on age.

If the age of voting is lowered to 6 (as some have asked for: [1]) or even removed altogether what stops me from producing 5-10 kids and then having them vote for a political party that I support? That is 5-10 extra votes in just a decade. And if 1000 families do that, that would significantly tilt the outcome of an election. By the time they grow up to understand what their rights are and that they were being exploited by an adult they would feel disgusted that they were used (or rather misused). You are assuming that minors have inherent understanding of political issues at that young age. Most don't. And it is not reasonable to expect them to know.

Voting should only be enabled for those who are completely aware of their rights. Children typically are not. They are not political by nature. They are playful and more interested in learning things around them. Turning them into political ballots waiting to be exploited by adults around them is the last thing we need in this already fractured World.

[1]: https://reason.com/2018/12/07/should-we-let-children-vote-th...

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by drcoopster on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:56AM (#24617295)
You are assuming that most adults have an inherent understanding of political issues, too. Most don't.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by shripadk on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:49PM (#24618634)
Yes but if you are an adult I can't coerce you into voting for a party of my choice. Children can be coerced. Children can be used as pawns. Schools can turn into political arenas. There are so many things that can go wrong by introducing politics at that young age. It is rare for adults to fall for peer pressure as you would have matured by then. Kids and teens can easily succumb to peer pressure.

You might want to read about on peer pressure and age influence here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2779518/

Do you really want your children to be exposed to political influence at such a tender age when they are already dealing with peer pressure, bullying and all other negative aspects that come with school life?

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by CraigJPerry on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:13PM (#24618922)
By that logic we should ban churches because some of them indoctrinate children who grow up to be single issue voters.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by shripadk on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:51AM (#24624513)
That is precisely what I am talking about: peer pressure/influence. You are just confirming my point. We already have enough influence on children from different angles: Religion, Race, Sex etc. I am saying that children should not be forced into these things and instead just allow them to explore the World in their own way. Let them learn about everything they feel interested in. This is not an age to be force-fitted into a mould. This is an age where they are growing/learning. Once they are ready they should be given their voting rights.

Giving them voting rights at such a young age will just make them all into activists or worse politicians. I see so many child activists who are just being exploited by their parents for making a quick buck. Most of what these children utter on TV is just stuff that have been told by their parents. If you talk to them outside of all this media circus you'll know that they are innocent and don't have much idea about the World except for doing what they are told.

This is what happens when you engage children in politics/activism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUhKpnv8-k

They are just not prepared for it. The moment you go off script the cookie crumbles. But keep aside politics/activism for a moment. Do you think it is fair that a child has to go through this sort of exploitation for what should be adults coming out with solutions? Because let us face it. This is exploitation. The child needs to be in school studying and enjoying with friends. She will never get back this youthful life again. We as adults are literally using children as props to settle our political issues. This is immoral and not right.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by zo1 on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:32AM (#24614343)
I do agree that this is about "controlling" younger / new of age voters.

However, I'm less worried about whatever correct/incorrect info they get about Trump or politics in general. And more worried about the disturbing cultural trends that this app and others like it are amplifying. Culture can have strong effects on people's political/voting behavior and that's what I think is being addressed (as opposed to the spying/privacy/CCP concerns which are secondary yet used as the main reason behind this ban).

I am pretty sure that Facebook/Youtube/Twitter will be targeted next in some way, but probably not with outright bans such as what they did with TikTok.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by CraigJPerry on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:33AM (#24614751)
>> I am pretty sure that Facebook/Youtube/Twitter will be targeted next in some way

Amnesty international was refused entry to observe the Assange trial. I don't know how it is on your FB search, your twitter search, even google news search, but this is harder information to find than i'd expect.

Perhaps this genuinely isn't as newsworthy as i was thinking it should be but then i feel like i have been privvy to every minute detail of Carrie Lam (and the CCP) vs the protestors.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by mschuster91 on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:24AM (#24614284)
There are few, if none Chinese apps that have that level of market domination TikTok has.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by nemetroid on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:07AM (#24615711)
And? Should there be a threshold of popularity above which you are not allowed to operate at all, but less popular apps are fine?
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by daniellarusso on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:09AM (#24616232)
I like that idea.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by colejohnson66 on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:49AM (#24617211)
If the claim is TikTok exfiltrating data on US citizens, then popularity shouldn’t matter.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by DarthGhandi on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:29AM (#24614321)
I can buy location data on millions of people across the world right now from American companies who make free apps

What exactly is stopping the Chinese from buying that same data? Name one hindrance they will face, please.

The delusional jingoism on HN is painful to fight.

https://apnews.com/f6a83c0b8e0a65563e4c76955c37c0ab

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by abc-xyz on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:40AM (#24614804)
But they cannot buy the same data - the quantity and quality of the data they obtain themselves (through apps like TikTok and WeChat that are running in the background 24/7 while collecting any information possible, such as secretly copying your clipboard which is likely to reveal passwords and other sensitive information) is far higher than what they could pay for.

You’re also ignoring the fact that they can use their apps to easily spread propaganda and influence elections. They’ve already censored videos that criticized the Chinese government. And inside the app then they have a very prominent “Covid-19” button where they can cherrypick what information to display.. they’ve for instance chosen to omit the fact that the Wuhan Virus originated in China.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by Talanes on Monday September 28, 2020 @06:40AM (#24615196)
> they’ve for instance chosen to omit the fact that the Wuhan Virus originated in China.

Any social media platforms using the term "Wuhan Virus" would be a bigger sign of governmental propaganda than the lack is.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by Chakazul on Monday September 28, 2020 @07:16AM (#24615402)
For the record, "Wuhan Pneumonia" and "Wuhan Virus" were widely used by official news coverage in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and guess what, Mainland China, before the WHO suddenly dictated all people must use "Covid-19" or else you're racist or propagandist.

This trick is very effective in erasing the obvious link between the virus and its origin.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by lalaland1125 on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:17AM (#24616301)
Yes, of course the goal is to erase the "obvious link" between the virus and the its origin. The thing is, people are irrational and will start discriminating in weird and unnecessary ways based on where a virus came from.

See https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus...

Nobody is trying to erase "history" or anything. Anybody actually interested can always read about the origin location of the virus in Wikipedia. This is all about keeping things straightforward for the otherwise uninformed.

Note that this is a standard virus naming methodology. The Ebola virus was similarly intentionally named to avoid unintentionally creating a target for discrimination.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by programmarchy on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:59AM (#24616147)
Would you say the names West Nile, Zika, and MERS are also signs of propaganda?
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by Talanes on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:37PM (#24623958)
No, because those were all in common use.

It shouldn't matter whether you think Wuhan virus or COVID is the propaganda-name, a company just defaulting to the most common term for their market is not a useful sign of propaganda.

Using Tik Tok's Covid information as proof of propaganda is just looking at noise and pretending it's data.