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Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by snazz on Friday September 25, 2020 @08:48PM (#24595496)
> In the mean time I have actual work I need to get done.

That's probably how most VS Code users feel about learning Emacs after reading about it on HN :)

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by konjin on Friday September 25, 2020 @10:07PM (#24595880)
I doubt they have had 20 years of using to it though.
Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by kungtotte on Saturday September 26, 2020 @02:34AM (#24596864)
This kind of ties back in to the point of the article.

For people who have used $EDITOR for 20+ years there's little incentive to change to something else, but if you want to bring in fresh eyes to your project so that there'll be enough people around in another 20 years to maintain the whole thing it behoves you to think about attracting those people.

Sane defaults and being more approachable is a good way to do that.

Does emacs even offer anything like `vimtutor`?

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by konjin on Saturday September 26, 2020 @04:14AM (#24597208)
>Does emacs even offer anything like `vimtutor`?

https://i.stack.imgur.com/egD8V.jpg

That is the splash page that hasn't changed much since 2000. Reading the helpfully highlighted first menu entry do you think that Emacs has a tutorial?

Users who can't even be bothered to read the text in front of them are not an asset to a project that doesn't charge them, they are a liability since they force the project in stupid directions. The death of firefox is a perfect example.

The thing that Emacs should focus on the future is true concurrency. Nice to haves would be a non-gtk gui, adding scheme scripting support and releasing a space cadet mechanical keyboard.

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by Symbiote on Friday October 02, 2020 @09:45AM (#24662516)
I don't follow this stuff closely, but I do have it in my RSS reader.

Here's someone recreating the Space Cadet keyboard key caps -- i.e. the plastic covers for the keys, not the actual keyboard. This is a more modern profile (key shape), rectangular/cylindrical similar to modern keyboards rather than the spherical top of the key like in the 1970s and 1980s.

It might give you an idea how expensive a custom keyboard would be.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechGroupBuys/comments/j3pmmn/gb_gm...

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by Symbiote on Saturday September 26, 2020 @09:33AM (#24598695)
> releasing a space cadet mechanical keyboard

The mechanical keyboard community will probably get there first.

From a quick search, I've found this [1], which goes a bit beyond the original Space Cadet keyboard.

[1] https://yiancar-designs.com/portfolio/hyper7/

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by RMPR on Saturday September 26, 2020 @03:48AM (#24597120)
> Does emacs even offer anything like `vimtutor`?

Yup. And iirc it's more discoverable than vimtutor because it's on the first page of the vanilla Emacs

Re:Toward a “modern” Emacs by j-james on Saturday September 26, 2020 @12:28AM (#24596416)
Certainly, but that's where the not-so-steep learning curve helps.