Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by kube-system on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:29PM
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For anyone wondering what kind of numbers we're talking about in practice -- the Toyota Mirai holds about 5kg of Hydrogen.
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Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by bryanlarsen on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:30PM
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In a pair of tanks that weigh 87.5 kg.
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by dnhz on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:50PM
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That's not that bad right? 15 gallons of gas could be 43 kg, and the gasoline fuel tank has some weight too.
Although, after google search, I see that the Mirai weight is 4075 lb, and the Prius weighs around 3100 lb.
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by wmf on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:33PM
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That ratio looks depressing, but what would equivalent batteries weigh? 500 kg? 1,000 kg?
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by bryanlarsen on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:39PM
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A Tesla battery pack of comparable range is about 500kg.
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by bodhiandpysics1 on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:15PM
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Note that the mirai also needs the fuel cells, which adds another 70 kg, so the difference isn't as stark
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by bryanlarsen on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:26PM
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Once we start that game, we can also add the weight of the Mirai's 1.6kWh NiMH battery and other esoterica.
The proof is in the pudding: the curb weight of a Mirai is more than that of the larger and more capable Model 3.
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by 8note on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @10:53PM
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How important is weight in their designs though? They're cars, so they don't have to hold themselves up, and they probably both have regenerative braking
Re:Ask HN: Is hydrogen likely to be a major source of power ...
by _ph_ on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:06AM
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You are right, weight isn't extremely important, especially with regenerative braking. It is only interesting in the comparison with battery electric cars - if the hydrogen car is even heavier, then there is basically no advantage left for the hydrogen car.