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Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by bawolff on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:47AM (#24564190)
Another way to look at it: mozilla is a sinking ship. Being a CEO of a shinking ship looks bad on the resume and is high risk for the ceo (reputation wise). High risk jobs should get higher compensation than low risk jobs.

I'd certainly argue that for a normal company. For mozilla though, there is a question of why do you even need a CEO? Does Linux have a CEO? I suspect at least some of mozilla's problems is trying to run an open source project with an unsustainable (and very non-diversified business model) as a normal company.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by belorn on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:00AM (#24564699)
Being a CEO of a fast rising ship shows evidence of competence, and people with high competence should get higher compensation than low competence.

Being a CEO of a stead fast ship show evidence of stability, and people with high stability should get higher compensation than low stability.

This create this perfect situation where regardless how the ship is doing the CEO should get paid more. There is always an argument for more pay.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by edude03 on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:09AM (#24564328)
> High risk jobs should get higher compensation than low risk jobs.

I agree with you, but isn't the problem more that they're sinking the ship? To take it to the extreme, if I joined a fortune 50 company as the CEO, and started losing billions a year with my decisions, should the board pay me more because I've created a risk to my reputation?

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by bawolff on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:17AM (#24564383)
People aren't paid what they "deserve" but what value they provide to the company. If the situation exists (whether created by the CEO or not) that makes it more expensive to replace the CEO, then unless they plan on firing the ceo, the ceo's value to the company increases because they are expensive to replace.

Or to put another way, life isn't fair and outcomes dont neccesarily align with what people deserve in a moral sense.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by Qwertious on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @07:41AM (#24565799)
Also people aren't paid what value they provide to the company, but what they can negotiate for - for example, if you need your job then your boss can get away with paying you peanuts even if you do 3x the work of your colleagues.

Incidentally, this is the basis of unions - the union negotiates your salary with the union's negotiating power of having the company's entire staff walk, which hurts far more than merely losing one employee.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by trophycase on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:21AM (#24564411)
That's not even true. If the CEO is running the company into the ground how are they being paid based upon the value they are bringing to the company?
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by throwaway2048 on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:32AM (#24564506)
Its justification of the status quo, not explanation.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @02:36PM (#24570351)
This is utter BS - not from you, but from the marketplace and economic theory. What's being created here s additional cost, which is then being parlayed as a proxy for value based on the idea that there is normally a rough equilibrium between the two.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:36AM (#24564526)
> the ceo's value to the company increases because they are expensive to replace.

The CEO’s value in general increases but that of the current particular CEO which is running the company into the ground decreases a lot more than that.

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by zgiber on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:36AM (#24564930)
Or maybe, just maybe, it is way simpler.. How big is the temptation for a person just before retirement on a 'sinking ship' to stuff their pockets while possible?
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by cskinner on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:06AM (#24565136)
This would be a reasonable argument if they were trying to attract a CEO to an already sinking ship. Being the one in charge when it starts sinking is a different case.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by rv-de on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:42AM (#24564978)
the risk of being an unemployed millionaire? lmao
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by bananaface on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:31PM (#24569636)
I think it would be a lot more fun if CEOs had to show an actual offer from a competitor in order to invoke the "I need to be payed this much to stay" argument.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by pjmlp on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @05:08AM (#24564744)
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by stefan_ on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @08:24AM (#24566148)
Keep in mind the Linux foundation is mostly a vehicle for a bunch of empty suits to cash in on "all things Linux". The influence on kernel development is negligible except for the occasional cringe moment.
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by karlp on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @09:26AM (#24566776)
What a surprise they share board members!
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by fierarul on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @03:55AM (#24564239)
Why wouldn't you need a CEO? Manage $1B by committee?
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by bawolff on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @04:20AM (#24564408)
Endowments are usually managed by comittee, so yes.

However, if it becomes a more volunteer based organization, you tend to pay people in conferences and other infrastructure. Which is a very different type of thing. You still probably need someone to manage that, but its very different from being a CEO

Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by fierarul on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @08:02AM (#24565961)
So you replace 1 CEO with a committee of 6 people and save how much money?
Re:Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay goin... by bronson on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @10:00AM (#24567130)
If you pay each committee member $400_000/year, you’ll save $100_000/year. Sounds like a good move to me.