As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash

Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by Scalestein on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @09:43PM (#24562075)

Who decides what counts as a quack? One of the things I find compelling about the format of the show is that the long format really exposes people, for better or worse. If you want to find out whether Alex Jones is a quack there is probably no better evidence than watching his appearance on Rogan's podcast. Same is true for Milo Yiannopoulos (often deemed an alt-right troll) who basically had his career wrecked from his appearance on the podcast. I think having guests from all over the political and 'quack' spectrum is a great example of sunlight being the best disinfectant. It is also a powerful bubble popping feature - very few media outlets entertain serious conversations with such a wide variety of guests.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by dqv on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:06PM (#24562215)

Thank you for explaining this. De-platforming is an annoying liberal tick that ends up creating an information disparity. When trying to get more information the only thing that comes up are a few intelligentsia-approved articles that lack an accurate description of the de-platformed individual.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by happytoexplain on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:17PM (#24562266)

I see the "who decides" argument used a lot like this, where the implication is that the mere nature of something being subjective means one must not leverage discernment, or that a single authority must be able to be established. I feel like the engineering types of minds attracted to HN are more prone to accidentally committing this kind of fallacy, as it involves a bias towards black and white objective processes.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by Scalestein on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @11:18PM (#24562584)

I certainly think there is room and use for discernment in guest selection. My "who decides" is a bit of hyperbole in this case but my point is more that Rogan's podcast has a much wider band of guests across the political / scientific / psuedoscientific spectrum. It lets the listener be 'the decider' much more than most if not all other podcasts and media more generally.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by joshuamorton on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @01:20AM (#24563262)

Your memory is faulty here. Yiannopolous made his comments on a much smaller podcast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_Peasants), and the hosts challenged Milo in ways that Joe and JRE doesn't.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by vannevar on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:03PM (#24562195)

No doubt, you can draw the line at different points. And obviously, in terms of audience and profit, Joe has found a sweet spot, with enough crazy people to be interesting but not so crazy as to make it a nonstop freak show. My point was that there's a wide band there, and that simply excluding a guest whose beliefs are demonstrably incorrect or morally reprehensible is not the same as pushing a single orthodox belief. Hence my reference to the Straw Man Argument.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by dilyevsky on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:14PM (#24562247)

So you’re praising him for keeping the balance but the show is somehow “problematic” as some folks like to say bc he invited that one crazy guest? Sounds like more of strawman to me. And yes jre style is very much softball questions I don’t think anyone really disputes that

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by raxxorrax on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @06:26AM (#24565261)

How about you just skip those episodes? I cannot understand your form of reasoning at all. You are morally reprehensible if you think your standards of acceptance should be used as a template.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by Scalestein on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @11:12PM (#24562548)

Oh yes totally agree, certainly there are many guests who have been rejected from appearing on JRE and yet he is being touted as heterodox.

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Re:As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and libe... by vannevar on Friday September 25, 2020 @11:21AM (#24590746)

So in your mind, the ideal show would be one where the guests are chosen at random? Otherwise, there is always the possibility that pernicious orthodoxy would play a role in setting the agenda. And of course it couldn't be on Spotify; the free version plays ads, which definitely push a consumerist orthodoxy. And it couldn't all be in a single language, because as we all know, each language embodies certain cultural orthodoxies. Quite the dilemma, putting together the show of your dreams. ;-)

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