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Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by _qulr on Friday September 18, 2020 @10:52PM (#24524509)
> The Constitution splits the nomination/confirmation process between two political branches. The process is supposed to be political!

The founders explicitly said that they didn't intend the system to be partisan, and indeed warned against the dangers of partisanship.

Of course they themselves formed parties a few years later. They weren't as wise as everyone seems to think.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jb775 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:14AM (#24524987)
The power is split across branches, not political parties. And I think you're forgetting that Senators are elected in by the people.

I see a common irrational theme of "let's change the rules because they didn't work out in my favor this time". I don't understand the logic behind this.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by trsohmers on Saturday September 19, 2020 @01:43AM (#24525435)
Senators originally (prior to 1914) were not directly elected by their constituents... the founders set up the Senate to be the more "responsible" "Upper House"and were set to represent the interests of each state and appointed by each state's democratically elected Governor. The intention of senators having longer terms (6 years vs 2 years for House members) in addition to being appointed by each state's Governor and state legislature was so Senators would not be as directly affected by electoral politics and would be forced to actually work together. I think the 17th Amendment to the Constitution was in retrospect a pretty horrible decision that has not added much democratic value to our system.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jb775 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @02:38AM (#24525643)
Well look at how governors have been handling the pandemic. Most of them seem completely one sided in terms of their response, unwilling to compromise and stretching the limits of their power. There isn't a "let's see how it's working and adapt based on new information" mindset, it's a "my way or the highway" mindset. For example, I live in PA and our governor's orders were recently found to be unconstitutional[1].

If anything, governors should have less power, not more. Decisions should be made on a smaller scale, states are too big for a one-size-fits-all model. And I certainly wouldn't want governors hand picking our senators.

[1] - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/14/pennsylvania-j...

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jakelazaroff on Saturday September 19, 2020 @10:24AM (#24527631)
Unsurprising, given the judge who found the orders unconstitutional was a Trump appointee. The past three and a half years Republicans have spent packing the courts seriously hurts the credibility of the legislative branch.

As an aside, Breitbart is one of the least trustworthy sources, and citing it does not help your argument.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jb775 on Saturday September 19, 2020 @04:48PM (#24530219)
Do you think the orders aren't unconstitutional?

Details on why you don't like the judge and which media outlet I referenced (i honestly just googled the story and grabbed the first one I saw) digresses from my point. And fyi once you digress from the main topic and shift to sub-aspects (without actually addressing the main point), it usually means you're arguing in bad faith, or your cognitive dissonance is kicking in. It's a mechanism used by closed-minded and stubborn people...Food for thought.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jakelazaroff on Saturday September 19, 2020 @08:52PM (#24531264)
I'm not digressing from your point, I'm directly rebutting it. You claimed that your governor is abusing his power, offering as a supporting argument a ruling that his orders are unconstitutional by an ostensibly neutral third party. I'm attacking your supporting argument by calling the neutrality of that third party into question.

My own opinion is that the orders are constitutional.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by _qulr on Saturday September 19, 2020 @07:20AM (#24526651)
> I see a common irrational theme of "let's change the rules because they didn't work out in my favor this time".

IMO they didn't work out in anyone's favor. Our country is a mess, and the majority of people dislike both of the 2 major ruling parties.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by Izkata on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:17PM (#24524675)
Branch, not party. Executive and Legislative.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by _qulr on Friday September 18, 2020 @11:39PM (#24524779)
> Branch, not party.

I can read. I was referring to "The process is supposed to be political!" And by political, the implication is partisan, because otherwise it would be true by definition, and thus an uninteresting claim not worthy of ending in an exclamation point.

Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by rayiner on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:09AM (#24524959)
Political doesn’t mean partisan. It means characterized by political considerations, rather than rules. Partisanship is one aspect of politics which the founders wanted to avoid. But they always contemplated that the Senate majority and Presidency might disagree for political reasons.
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by jakelazaroff on Saturday September 19, 2020 @12:23AM (#24525040)
Sure — and if the Mitch McConnell's objection to Merrick Garland's nomination had been political, it would have been one thing. But it was nakedly partisan: he refused to consider any justice that Obama would nominate, with no real reasoning beyond "we want a Republican to have a chance to fill this vacancy".
Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died by _qulr on Saturday September 19, 2020 @07:24AM (#24526663)
> they always contemplated that the Senate majority and Presidency might disagree for political reasons.

They did. The danger to the country is actually when they agree.

What happened here is that the Senate refused to compromise, and simply put the government in a holding pattern until they could get a more "agreeable" executive in office. Is that the way separation of powers was intended to work? I think not.