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Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by JarlUlvi on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:29PM (#24500206)
NASA needs a specialized unit because when it comes to large launches at Kennedy (144,000 acres), or Wallops (6,200 acres) they have to secure a significant amount of real estate. Terrorists and Nuts would love nothing more than use a surface-to-air missile against a launch. To head off that threat, you'd need real operators trained with small arms extensively, and not the contracted security most feds use. Kennedy looks like a mix of mangroves, swamp and dense terrain with gators in the water, and panthers about. Throw in a few extras at other locations to respond to an active shooter situation and that fits a fairly small team.

As far as another agency providing that security, if you do launches regularly, and have to pay for all the travel and TDY, it would get expensive in a quick hurry. Better to keep in house, and pay local law enforcement to help out where needed for the truly big launches, as 33 operators wouldn't go far enough with that much territory to protect. Federal LE probably helps in those big launches too.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by gpm on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:11PM (#24500789)
NASA has some serious security concerns, but they're largely taken care of by the air force, coast guard, and friends. I'm sort of surprised to find out they have their own swat team when we're always hearing about "the coast guard helicopter finding a stray boat in the keep out zone" and so on.
Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by tidepod12 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:55PM (#24501037)
After reading the report, the NASA SWAT team is specifically an emergency response team for major incidents that happen at Kennedy Space Center. It's not some roving security team patrolling landing sites, etc. It makes sense to me that a highly important site like the KSC would want to have a specialized emergency response team, and KSC doesn't exactly have a large city nearby or anything like that that could provide such ERT, so it makes sense that NASA created their own.

I suspect that's the case for most of these other "unusual" SWAT teams in the article. The Department of Interior's SWAT team, for example, is part of the US Park Police and provides ERT responsibilities for highly visible national monuments, like the Statue of Liberty or Washington Monument. The HHS SWAT team is the ERT for the NIH campus in Maryland, etc.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by garmaine on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:40PM (#24500959)
A SWAT team used to raid the homes of widowed astronaut wives to steal back family heirlooms from the Moon.

(I kid you not; google it.)

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by vmh1928 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:37AM (#24501220)
This one?

quote: NASA investigators then arranged the sting, where Conley met with Davis and her current husband at the Denny's restaurant at Lake Elsinore in Riverside County.

Soon after settling into a booth, Davis said, she pulled out the moon sample and about half a dozen sheriff's deputies and NASA investigators rushed into the eatery. /quote https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/granny-roughed-up-in-moon-rock...

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by garmaine on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:39AM (#24501231)
There’s more than one case.

It’s a bit off to call it a “sting” though when the NASA inspector general is the only one that thinks a crime is actually taking place.

Edit: to be clear, the IG is asserting in these cases either that the astronauts stole NASA property or that they illegally profited off of the mission (as later Apollo astronauts got in trouble for doing when they sold the personal effects they took with them).

However in most of these cases it’s clear that (1) these weren’t misplaced samples, but rather an extra rock they picked up and kept, for which there’s no law against; and (2) they didn’t profit off it, but rather freely gave chips of the rock to their wives, girlfriends, children, close friends, or just kept as a momento.

Now two generations later these Apollo era people are dying off and their estate is finding out that the little moon rock grandpa has is worth $10k/gram at auction, and trying to cash in. And when they do, NASA sends a SWAT team to their house.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by wonder_er on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:31AM (#24501199)
> Terrorists and Nuts would love nothing more than use a surface-to-air missile against a launch

Please reference: Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire[0]

The author argues that the US is creating the "terrorists and nuts" that the US is then protecting itself from.

If the US was not hyper-interventionist on the world stage, there would be almost no terrorist threat.

[0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40709.Blowback

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by webmaven on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:14AM (#24502264)
> > Terrorists and Nuts would love nothing more than use a surface-to-air missile against a launch

> Please reference: Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire[0]

> The author argues that the US is creating the "terrorists and nuts" that the US is then protecting itself from.

I suspect that the terrorists and nuts most interested in firing a SAM at a NASA launch would be of the domestic varieties.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by craftinator on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:31AM (#24501780)
It's really a fantastic business model, lots of synergy, very pro-growth!
Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by srtjstjsj on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:11PM (#24500788)
> Terrorists and Nuts would love nothing more than use a surface-to-air missile against a launch.

And yet never in history has that been attempted, despite the presence of suicide bombers.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by onetimemanytime on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:50PM (#24501019)
>>And yet never in history has that been attempted, despite the presence of suicide bombers.

That, in itself is not really an argument. Nothing has been attempted until it happens.

Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by austincheney on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:49PM (#24501011)
That line of thinking destroyed the wealth of millions of people in the 2008 housing crash. So many people were certain it can’t happen only because it hasn’t happened.
Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by craftinator on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:35AM (#24501804)
He's not saying it can't happen, he's pointing out that there is no historical justification for the protections they render.
Re:From NASA to Amtrak, These Are All the Government Agencie... by baud147258 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @10:20AM (#24504937)
well, finding and shipping a surface to air missile close to a launch site seems to be more complicated than finding a volunteer for a suicide attack, which can be done nearly everywhere. Also the current trend in terrorist attacks is the maximalisation of casualties, not necessarily property damage/symbolic targets