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Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by iso1631 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @11:03AM (#24493348)
But that's no different to 2003 (you could have a guarantor - typically a parent - who would be on the hook for your rent if you didn't pay it)

Before I started looking I was under the impression things were harder now then they were in 2003, but it seems not, at least in this one case (tiny studio/bedsits in a dodgy part of west london) -- unless asking prices on rent are massively depressed due to covid.

In 2006/7 I lived in Tunbridge wells, paying £800pcm for a 2 bed flat that looked almost identical to this one, although it was in the next door house and had a garage instead of a parking spot.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/84635425#/

£800 in 2007 is £1,117.29 today, so a near identical flat for £900 is an interesting price point.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by jlokier on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @07:54PM (#24499509)
Things seem to have become more difficult to obtain in some cases. Back in 2003, nobody asked me for proof of income for renting. Just basic credit checks (which don't directly know about income or bank balances). Proof of income is more recent.

(And difficult if you're self-employed with highly irregular income, I found.)

If using a guarantor, a guarantor has to pass similar checks.

Guarantor works a lot better for a young person starting out in a cheap-ass room in a shared place, whose parents expect this. For a flat and an older adult with retired parents on a low pension, or their own housing costs, not so much.

Good like finding a guarantor if your parents or friends:

- don't have enough spare income to cover your rent in addition to their own expenses

- don't pass the credit check themselves

- can't pass the proof-of-income check themselves

- don't have enough assets to use as security

- are not happy using their assets as security for you (e.g. their limited life savings or their one and only home)

Some people don't have parents, and these days, quite a lot of parents rent precariously too. They would be turned down as guarantors.

More parents renting is a factor which has changed in recent years.

I imagine most people don't have friends who would be willing to be long term rent guarantors, even if they could be.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:52PM (#24499948)
>Things seem to have become more difficult to obtain in some cases. Back in 2003, nobody asked me for proof of income for renting. Just basic credit checks (which don't directly know about income or bank balances). Proof of income is more recent.

Because they can ask those things more quickly and easily now. There's a bunch of jerks in California who are hellbent on connecting every DB in the world to every other DB that we can thank for this.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by iso1631 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:23AM (#24502321)
> Guarantor works a lot better for a young person starting out in a cheap-ass room in a shared place, whose parents expect this. For a flat and an older adult with retired parents on a low pension, or their own housing costs, not so much.

Absolutely. When my mother-in-law divorced and moved into a rented house, I was her guarantor.

I did have parents in 2003, but they lived 3000 miles away in a greek village where there was an ISDN line a 20 minute ride down the mountain, so not too practical. But this artcile is about 18-29 year olds moving in with their parents, not 50 year olds.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by jlokier on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:20PM (#24509492)
> 18-29 year olds moving in with their parents, not 50 year olds.

It applies in that age range as well.

A 29 year old moving in with their 64 year old parent(s) who are themselves poor and renting while on the edge of official retirement age, is going to find their parents probably rejected as guarantors.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by user5994461 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @04:37PM (#24497535)
Go check again, you got everything wrong. ^^

That flat is southeast England in the middle of nowhere.

Not london, not greater london by any metric, it's nowhere.

Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by iso1631 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:20AM (#24502295)
That's a second example, literally next door to the flat I rented in 2007 in Tunbridge Wells for £800pcm
Re:The majority of 18- to 29-year-olds in the US are now liv... by user5994461 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:52AM (#24502473)
You said you were in London though, this is not London, this is countryside in the middle of nowhere.

Properties have increased significantly in cities but not in the desolated countryside. No argument there.