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Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by ekianjo on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:00AM (#24491740)
> Lack of support for GUI apps such as MS Office,

not the same but you have Office 365 that does a reasonable job for most documents out there.

On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by colejohnson66 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:04AM (#24492277)
> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools

Replace “Office” with Photoshop, Autodesk, Altium, etc. and it becomes very clear why this isn’t true. The Big Guys(tm) aren’t popular because they’re Windows and macOS programs; They’re popular because they do practically everything and no alternative comes close.

Sure, there is the bit about market dominance which leads to people learning just that tool which leads to further dominance (this is true of Photoshop especially). There’s also the bit about tools not getting better if no one uses them. But one would be hard pressed to find programs as capable as those mentioned earlier.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by arvinsim on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:04AM (#24491774)
> On the other hand, not having Office is kind of a feature, it makes you learn better tools :)

I think this kind of attitude is why Linux on the desktop will probably never be mainstream.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by absove on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:45AM (#24493184)
I don't think this attitude is the reason why Microsoft won't port the Office suite to linux.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by ekianjo on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @12:54PM (#24494534)
> why Linux on the desktop will probably never be mainstream.

It does not need to be mainstream to be useful.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by dependenttypes on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:59PM (#24495321)
What kind of attitude do you think would make Linux on desktop mainstream?
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by rbanffy on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:44AM (#24493178)
It being used by those who don't refuse to learn better tools is kind of a feature too. ;-)
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by MegaDeKay on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:16AM (#24492398)
If you mean the web apps, they work until they don't. Often it is a function you would never expect:

- in Excel, you can clear conditional formatting rules but you can't manage them. And text in text boxes turn into images that can't be edited, only moved.

- in Word, formulas turn to images. Complex tables break.

- Visio... well, there is no web app version of Visio.

Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by IHLayman on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:49AM (#24493226)
I haven't used Visio in almost a decade. I have used draw.io a lot in that time, and it is more than sufficient. Plus, it easily embeds into Confluence which is something I use daily.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by speedgoose on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:45AM (#24492100)
What are the better tools?
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by rbanffy on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:44AM (#24493180)
It depends on what you are doing, but when I have to manipulate gigantic grids of numbers, I use Pandas. When I am just doing normal mere mortal spreadsheety stuff, I use LibreOffice or Google Sheets.
Re:Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches to enable complete... by ekianjo on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @01:00PM (#24494606)
Command line tools, or Python/R for anything that requires large data processing and repeatable workflows.