Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by CalChris on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:14PM
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GPS receivers listening to 44W transmitters from 12,000 miles away can be heard saying hold my beer.
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Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by jcims on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:32PM
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AND with postage stamp sized antennas. That one blows my mind regularly.
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by jacquesm on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:03PM
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From under the noise floor. If anything that is the impressive feat.
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by jcims on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:42PM
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I heard this in a podcast recently, imagine working at Bell Labs mid 20th century and calling a meeting with Nyquist, Hartley and Shannon.
Even if they didn’t show the invite would be a keepsake.
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by jacquesm on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:10AM
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It would be hard to tell the names apart from the various tech bits and pieces named after the participants in the meeting. Shannon: "But what about the Nyquist frequency? Nyquist: "My trembling is much reduced, thank you." ...
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by batsigner on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:00PM
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Nothing special about the noise floor, it's just the point where you can only transmit around one bit per second per hertz
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by labawi on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @09:58AM
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From an information-theoretic POV, yes, you can squeeze information from less, but the definition I found is based on signal levels not transmission capacity, and it seems to have other notable consequences.
AFAICT it's around this point that you can't tell whether there is a transmission, unless you know what it looks like; tuning requires decoding and/or fancy math, not a spectrometer; communication works just fine (with proper transmission modes), but there are nontrivial practical consequences as you approach or go below the noise floor.
I wouldn't expect to see analog equipment operating below the noise floor.
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by giomasce on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:14AM
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Link to the proof? Or at least, does the theorem has a well-known name?
Re:Details on the Ham Radio Equipment Being Used on the ISS
by tripletao on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @08:28AM
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The Shannon–Hartley theorem. It assumes additive white Gaussian noise (which is a good model for most kinds of thermal-ish noise), and provides a bound on the channel capacity that practical codes closely approach.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theore...