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Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by wedowhatwedo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:14AM (#24481392)
At my university, we are heavily dependent upon Microsoft. The reasoning is that it has more features than the open source equivalents. It was pointed out that the over $1 million a year given to Microsoft could be used to implement those features in the open source tools and it wouldn't take long to get there. That was in the 1990's. We now give Microsoft many more millions a year and have ever since.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by thebean11 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:34AM (#24481626)
> It was pointed out that the over $1 million a year given to Microsoft could be used to implement those features in the open source tools and it wouldn't take long to get there.

$1 million to implement the features sure, but what about actually hosting and administering the open source software? On call engineers aren't cheap and it's going to break on finals week.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by _fat_santa on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:49AM (#24481812)
I was going to say this. Developing an LMS or really any tool is not cheap. You would be saving $1M/yr from MS but paying out $2M/yr in dev costs.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by MayeulC on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:35AM (#24482431)
You do not necessarily need to hire these devs yourself, though. It can be managed by the legal entity overseeing regular development, like the LibreOffice foundation.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by _revy on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:36AM (#24481649)
Don't most universities host their own software?
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by smt88 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:47AM (#24481778)
A few years ago they did, but Google, Microsoft, and some of the cloud LMS companies have started to shift them onto the cloud.

As someone who had a university IT dept as a client, it's honestly much better for the school. University IT is almost universally a disaster and bottleneck.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by protomyth on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:08PM (#24482909)
LMS we still host (Moodle), but student registration is just cheaper and easier to get a company to host (We use Empower).

I've noticed even the strapped for money TCUs have hosted LMS more often than not. We went against the grain on that one.

Office365 is just so cheap for students (The e-mail is free if you just use that) that it makes total sense to pick that.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by alistairSH on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:43AM (#24481727)
It’s a mix. Current ERP solutions for higher ed are offered self-hosted or SaaS. Ancillary solutions are moving quickly towards SaaS only. Larger R1 schools are more likely to have solutions they built entirely in-house. Most schools have highly customized versions of COTS products.

Source: I work for a leading supplier of those solutions.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by larrywright on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:44AM (#24481742)
I’m not sure about most, perhaps some do but the ones I’m aware of are using Office365 or similar.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by smt88 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:45AM (#24481763)
The alternative to most proprietary software is absolutely not "build it ourselves". Whatever your school is/was using Microsoft for is not a $1M/year expense. It might not even be doable for $100M/year.

You have to spread the costs across multiple orgs and hundreds of programmers. You can do that by paying a centralized institution for proprietary software or by joining an open-source project.

If there is no open-source project, you have to create one, and then you're potentially years away from getting something that's a true alternative.

If schools don't like proprietary licenses, they should bargain together for something better.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by jcelerier on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:41PM (#24486463)
> Whatever your school is/was using Microsoft for is not a $1M/year expense. It might not even be doable for $100M/year.

so how come the university i've been (Bordeaux, ~55k students / 3k staff) almost exclusively uses Linux and free software and does not have a computing budget in the hundred thousands ?

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by smt88 on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @10:59AM (#24493315)
You're refuting a point I did not make.

I was responding to someone who suggested that schools should build their own critical software. If there's a good FOSS option already, they should absolutely use it. But there isn't always that option.

Also, I guarantee that the school has at least 5-10 tech people, which means computing expenses are approaching $1M when you factor in benefits. Free software requires a larger in-house staff to customize and maintain it, even if the initial cost is low.

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by jcelerier on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @02:45PM (#24495964)
> their own critical software.

which critical software are those ?

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by AshamedCaptain on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:45AM (#24481753)
And Microsoft just keeps using that money to constantly rewrite their own software for no apparent reason these days. It's like the worst of bazaar development (cascade of attention deficit teenagers in full glory) and propietary software (you can't no longer support it when the teenagers abandon it).

We are still waiting for Teams to support features that Lync/SFB supported on day 1. But that does not prevent them from trying to force Teams onto O365 users (by all but abandoning SFB).

Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by gr2zr4 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:21AM (#24481475)
And maybe you still don't know how many millions they give to the software houses to use their statistical packages :)
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by api on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:20AM (#24481452)
Who would do that implementation? Who would manage it? Who would lead it?
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by fsflover on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:41AM (#24481714)
Anyone willing to get $1 million.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by alistairSH on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:45AM (#24481754)
That doesn’t get you very far. Maybe a small team of developers for a year. But, maintenance and hosting cost more.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by pessimizer on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:06AM (#24481998)
Anybody willing to get $1 million '90s dollars. They probably spend more now.
Re:Schools Should Exclusively Use Free Software (2014) by fsflover on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:49AM (#24481802)
Most of free software is supported gratis. You do not need full support, just specific things for your use case.