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Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by nicbou on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:41PM (#24474241)
That was a tedious read. Most of the article is just filler text. There is a whole page of it before the point: give yourself 3 years. Why 3 years? Because Rome wasn't built in a day. That's pretty much all there is to it.

The advice feels pretty circular. To stay motivated, do it for 3 years. If you can commit to something for 3 years, you already have the motivation.

Regardless, I disagree with this advice. Give it a month, tops. If you don't enjoy the process after a month and the goal is 3 years away, you won't get there.

From my experience, I stick to doing things because of the rewards along the way. After a month of playing an instrument, learning a language or trying a hobby, I will likely produce something that makes me want to keep going. It won't take 3 years.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by eloff on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:03PM (#24477201)
I thought there were some insightful things in there. For one the biggest problem with staying motivated over a long period of time is the lack of instant gratification. Humans aren't good with delayed gratification - hardly surprising or revolutionary, but right on the money.

The other thing I liked was the somewhat non obvious advice to stay focused on your goal and not be open to other opportunities. This sank a lot of my projects over the years. Hot, exciting new idea beats familiar, hairy, in progress idea. But if you keep chopping and changing you'll never finish anything. There is a risk you ignore a really much better opportunity, so you can't do this 100%, but you do really strongly need to bias towards finishing what you started.

Lastly when I started on the project of teaching myself to write software more than half my life ago now, I hated it. It was alien and difficult and boring. If I'd quit after a month I would have not found my passion, and I would have missed out on a pretty great career.

Also, I would say learning to enjoy the gym took a lot more than a month.

So don't give up so soon, but also three years is a long time if you really are not enjoying what you're doing. Maybe something in between, based on how you feel about it.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by justtart on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:10AM (#24478336)
I enjoyed the article too.

It makes the assumption that the motivation is already there and he enjoys doing it, only is not seeing immediate feedback.

I think 3 years is kind of arbitrary and not to be taken literally. He's just saying that sometimes these projects take longer than expected to gain any traction

The thing about not being open to other opportunities reminds me of the idea of flow: You don't focus on getting into flow but you focus on avoiding distractions that would prevent you from getting there.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by ZainRiz on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:29PM (#24475872)
Instead of focusing on a goal for three years, try to focus on a goal that you can achieve in two weeks (or whatever your default attention span is)

Design each two week goal so that you get a dopamine rush from doing it, get some value out of it, and it also helps your long term goal.

I share my attempt at doing just that here: https://www.zainrizvi.io/blog/do-more-by-doing-less/

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by warent on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:42PM (#24476737)
For some reason what has always worked for me is just abandoning rational thought entirely and working day-to-day.

I go into a project thinking "I bet I can get 50% to 100% of this thing done today" and that's almost never the case, but the thought of it gets me excited. That's all the motivation I need. I work like crazy until I'm ready to stop working. I say "Wow I sure made a lot of progress. Tomorrow I'll probably finish it off." feeling satisfied. This repeats forever. Maybe it's a kind of madness, but it gets the job done!

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by blegr on Thursday September 17, 2020 @04:03PM (#24509277)
You’re probably not mad, I work like that too. It’s basically the only way that doesn’t bore me to death before I even start.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by nowandlater on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:09PM (#24474533)
I agree with your sentiment. Something that's helped to keep me learning/improving/progressing past the 1 month mark is to remind myself how much I managed to learn and or enjoy during that time. If I can't think of anything -- usually this is rare -- I'll give it up. Extend your reassesments to every 2 months, 4 months etc... I end up finding it harder and harder to give up. Still, it's good to know when to throw in the towel.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by polishdude20 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:33AM (#24482401)
Along with this, what's helped me with my long term project is to realize that Rome wasn't built in a day. That I don't have to work on it today if I don't feel like it. I've got my ups and downs and it's helped me to realize that the project will take a little longer than anticipated but I've got time.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by Arubis on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:32PM (#24474809)
I would read _your_ blog post on this. Though it's possible this summary is already sufficient.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by test6554 on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:05PM (#24476870)
I disagree with this advice. Give it a day tops. If you don't enjoy the process after a day and the goal is a month away, you won't get there.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by ZephyrBlu on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:43PM (#24477094)
Ya know, I disagree with this advice. Give it a couple of hours tops. If you don't enjoy the process after a couple of hours and the goal is a whole day away, you won't get there.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by austincheney on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:41PM (#24477674)
Give it three minutes tops. If you cant focus it doesn’t matter that you might enjoy it.

/sarcasm :)

Whether to give it a month or three years depends on the ambition of the goal and the things learned in the process.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by Retric on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:50PM (#24477709)
The point is a little deeper than that. You might finish 10 to 20 different 3+ year projects which means almost nothing makes that cut. However, you can likely do 500+ one month projects. The second one is much closer to the number of interesting projects you might come up with in a lifetime and a month is long enough to see some real results on most things.

Spend 100+ hours learning to juggle over a month and you’re not doing tricks, but you’re going to be noticeably better at it. 3 years on the other hand is a long way from say mastering French, but it’s plenty to be useful on a trip. And that IMO is what separates two benchmarks, noticeable improvement is rarely worth much on it’s own.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by nwienert on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:20PM (#24476241)
Disagree, many (most?) things worth doing and doable take more than a month to get used to or to get to the good part. I’ve definitely not “hit my stride” until month 8 or so of certain projects of which I adore once I do. Keep at it so long as you believe in the mission.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by nicbou on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:11AM (#24480787)
Sure, but after doing it for a month, you can tell whether or not you enjoy the process. You'll learn a few chords, a few sentences, some basic techniques. You'll get an idea of what the activity is like, regardless of whether you're good at it.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by dkdk8283 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @04:33AM (#24479072)
I’m in the same boat as you but my commitment period is 90 days. Studying, lifestyle changes, etc.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by bluedevil2k on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:50PM (#24474987)
Even from a business perspective, what you're working on today, if it's tech or software related, will be horribly out-dated in 3 years. Imagine how many "pivots" need to be made on a software product who's expected delivery is Fall 2023.

That's what gave rise to the whole Lean Start-up movement - spend 3 months, get a working version out there, get some paying customers, start improving the software with new features. If you can't get any paying customers with an MVP, it's a sign your idea might not be worth a 3 year investment.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by adventured on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:48PM (#24477702)
> Even from a business perspective, what you're working on today, if it's tech or software related, will be horribly out-dated in 3 years.

Here's how outdated in tech usually works across three years:

We gotta switch to NoSQL, it's the new new hot hot thing! It's going to save us money, it's going to make our service much faster, it's going to be easier to manage. It's revolutionary, everybody says so. Our competition is switching too.

Three years later: we're going to switch away from NoSQL, turns out we didn't actually need to use that. It caused more problems than it solved in our case.

Outdated in three years is mostly only true in a small echo chamber of the tech industry obsessed with chasing fads 24/7. It's an almost entirely self-imposed form of torture by that part of the industry. There are exceptions of course, cases where things legitimately get outdated in just three years, and they're rare.

Was the NoSQL fad that so many people chased necessary? Nope. Are there great use cases for NoSQL systems? Of course. The legitimate use cases aren't fraudulent, it's the fad that is, the mania, the hype (which always implodes, then the headlines come rolling in about switching back).

That's a microcosm of the three year fad hopping that you're talking about (and there are obviously a lot of examples of it, from big data to AI/ML, to the latest framework craze). A small segment of the tech industry is like a dog that never stops chasing fad cars.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by jstarfish on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:15PM (#24475235)
Can't argue with you there, but I get the impression (from other pages on the site) the advice seems more geared to personal growth or soft-creative goals, not business/tech/software development.

* A blog or novel isn't inherently outdated in 3 years, and good ones can certainly take that long to complete.

* Any fitness regimen lasting less than 3 years is a waste of time (IMO). You don't get meaningful "credit" applied to your lifespan for doing yoga for three months.

* Taking the time to develop your relationship with your children needs years of persistence, otherwise they'll just raise themselves and not respect you.

Much of this is the same advice given to ADHD candidates. I don't know if he is one or just happened to be inspired by self-help books about the subject, but the advice does work. Breaking large tasks down into smaller ones that yield more immediate satisfaction/feedback and riding that dopamine train until it's second nature is the best way to stick to a project and avoid burnout.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by ZephyrBlu on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:14PM (#24477566)
What I've realized about the Lean Startup methodology is that it only works for very specific businesses.

Usually these are software-enabled service businesses (I.e. the software is not the essential part of the business).

Standing up a pure SaaS business in 3 months just doesn't happen unless it's really straightforward and you already have it planned out.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by istorical on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:27PM (#24477325)
There are more ways to live life than with a lean startup model.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by sschueller on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:37PM (#24474857)
Exactly, do something as long as you enjoy it. Once you get bored of it put it away for a while. I have many many projects some of which may never get finished but once in a while I enjoy working on them.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by Aperocky on Monday September 14, 2020 @05:51PM (#24475553)
There's such a big hurdle to starting though, because clicking on hackernews generates quicker gratification.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by sschueller on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:14PM (#24475757)
Thankfully I get bored of that too...
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by neymgm on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:21PM (#24476248)
I disagree with the part that if you're doing it for the reward then it won't get anywhere. Mainly because of what you say: we do what we do to make a living.

However, I believe that statement applies more to the vision/philosophy of our projects. A professor once recommended us to set ourselves an unreachable goal to keep driving your project/company/employees forward towards a common goal. They gave us an example of Bimbo –a Mexican food industry company– that states as its philosophy: "Feed, delight and serve our world, this is our philosophy." They'll never really be able to feed the entire world but they're sure as hell going for it. Though whether a such big corporation's real interest is doing so is another discussion altogether. Even if that was their original intention.

I read this article and think about my goals to become a Game Developer. I take the advice of setting expectations for a couple of years down the road as a way to keep learning and investing the time that's required to become what I wish to become. I shouldn't be naive to apply this to a particular game project at the earlier stages of my career. In my case I should take on multiple projects that will broaden my knowledge regarding game design, architecture, project management, etc.

Article gave me much more to think about than I though it would.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by geuis on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:58PM (#24474418)
Exactly my feelings in response to scanning through the text. I was honestly expecting a list of ingredients and cooking instructions to appear towards the end.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by rambojazz on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:39AM (#24478193)
We need another article, "How I stay motivated reading How I stay motivated working on my long-term project".
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by durmonski on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:46AM (#24478521)
I hear you :)
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by pier25 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @01:08AM (#24478061)
You won’t get anywhere in a month with a violin or a piano.

Some things are just harder but that doesn’t mean they are not worth it.

Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by nicbou on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:13AM (#24480813)
No, you won't, but you'll get a good idea of what the activity entails. I've been learning to play the guitar for a few months, and I suck at it, but after a month I already knew that I enjoyed practicing.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by pier25 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:37AM (#24481659)
Playing guitar is way easier than playing violin.
Re:How I stay motivated working on my long-term project by zanecraw on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:59PM (#24474436)
Yeah, could've been cut down to a list of steps and tips. I disagree too. Give it 3 months, not three years..