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Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise... by throwaway0a5e on Monday September 14, 2020 @09:32AM (#24469898)
You know what happens after a decade of people using rhetoric like there's a war on? You get an actual war.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise... by nemo44x on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:08AM (#24470317)
I agree. It's what really concerns me about slogan's like "language is violence". How many steps removed are we from someone then rationalizing that it's acceptable to respond to "violent language" with actual, physical violence? "Silence is violence" takes it even further and could justify rounding up, "reeducating", and ultimately killing people who didn't say anything in support of a moral cause.

Discourses do matter and the way we talk about things matters. If you want to make serious change, like with the climate, then using discourses that divide people will never work. We must find the universal humanism in causes and allow people to look inside to find the truth. We can't just coerce people into compliance, especially with how connected people are today and the ability for opposition ideas to take hold much more easily today than historically using hysterics and tribalism to delegitimize each other.

Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise... by andrew_ on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:07AM (#24471032)
It'll be interesting to see if postmodernism dooms us or if another (or previous) philosophy becomes popular to rid us of it.
Re:Advocates want to name heatwaves like hurricanes to raise... by nemo44x on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:58AM (#24471686)
No idea but it mainly appears to be nonnegotiable. It's not really pure post modernism that is the problem. In fact, many of the derivatives of it we see being reified today use it as a base (deconstruct everything) but are not pure in that they create their own meta-narrative, which post modernism was explicitly against.

Regardless, the backlash to it is potentially so much more damaging and I hope these people understand the type of fire they're playing with. Identity politics plays both ways and mixed in with classic conflict theory, well it doesn't tend to end well.

I'm optimistic that as these frameworks for how the world works are (easily) exposed as the frauds they are and how they are hurtful to a society versus other methods (like universalism and liberal-science approaches) which have worked and will continue to, we'll taper down a bit the discourses. There's some good bits in these philosophies too, to be sure and hopefully they survive.

In the end they'll fail because they have no way of constructing a coherent, functional world, much less a peaceful multicultural one. It's just a matter of how many people die to get to that realization.