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Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by Bayart on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:53AM (#24468731)
The US government doesn't have nearly the amount of control or integration the Chinese have with their companies.

It's simply not comparable. And I say that as a European who wants FB neutered.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by PeterStuer on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:19AM (#24468879)
It is irrelevant whether it is the government that controls the enterprises or the enterprises that control the government when the symbiotic entanglement runs that deep as is the case in both the US and China.
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by sonotathrowaway on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:06PM (#24473853)
I don’t ever remember anyone alleging the United States used the TAO to steal trade secrets to give to American corporations, nor do I ever recall them hacking other countries to gain advantages in trade negotiations.

If you’d like to paint them as equally entwined, please cite your sources.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by PeterStuer on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @03:49AM (#24478824)
It's pretty systemic, not an exception. Just of the top of my head.

"In 1999, Enercon, a German company and leading manufacturer of wind energy equipment, developed a breakthrough generator for wind turbines. After applying for a US patent, it had learned that Kenetech, an American rival, had submitted an almost identical patent application shortly before. By the statement of a former NSA employee, it was later discovered that the NSA had secretly intercepted and monitored Enercon's data communications and conference calls and passed information regarding the new generator to Kenetech. As German intelligence services are forbidden from engaging in industrial or economic espionage, German companies are frequently complaining that this leaves them defenceless against industrial espionage from the United States. According to Wolfgang Hoffmann, a former manager at Bayer, German intelligence services are aware which companies are being targeted by US intelligence agencies, but refuse to inform the companies involved."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial...

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by angio on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:14AM (#24468854)
Dosen't the CLOUD Act mean that the US government has access to all data owned by American companies, even if the data is physically outside the US?
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by spaced-out on Monday September 14, 2020 @08:03AM (#24469115)
The President of the US publically demanded a cut of the Byte Dance sale as a condition of it getting approved. Take it from an American, the US is not the same country it was 5 years ago.
Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by irondruid on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:26PM (#24474715)
What is your source?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53633315

Your post implies that the president expects to directly benefit financially from the sale of TikTok.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by mensetmanusman on Monday September 14, 2020 @10:13AM (#24470370)
Um, it is exactly the same, it’s just out in the open.

Remember, when JFK was doing diplomatic tours around Europe they had prostitutes ready for him at hotels. The current American president’s behavior is par for the course.

Re:ByteDance won't sell TikTok U.S. operations to Oracle or ... by eloisant on Monday September 14, 2020 @07:20AM (#24468888)
It might not be as official as in China, but the US government has US based companies in control.

The Cloud Act basically says that the Federal government can force any US company to hand over data, even if the data is not located in US.

Even before the Cloud Act was passed, with the PRISM program Big Tech were offering a backdoor to the NSA to access their data.

So, not as visible, but just as effective.