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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by zxcvbn4038 on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:43PM (#24465383)
No, that is pretty much accurate. Their flagship database is outstanding, worth every penny, the one to beat. However everything else they touch just wilts and dies. They don’t just have a black thumb, they have eleven of them. They killed Sun, Solaris, libdb (remember sleepycat software?), Java, and would have killed mysql if it didn’t fork. They are the bane of anyone looking for a job that encounters their horrid candidate management software. Forget COVID, murder hornets, and global warming - my nightmare is that one day Richard Hipp retires or falls ill and Oracle takes over SQLite.
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by btilly on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:20PM (#24465659)
Their flagship database was outstanding 20 years ago.

Today..not worth the price tag. And if you do pay the price tag, you're going to need some high priced DBAs to baby it along.

To your list I would add that with Hudson they achieved such an own-goal that all anyone knows is the renamed fork, Jenkins. (Which I believe was named after Leeroy Jenkins...)

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by phs318u on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:36PM (#24465793)
> Their flagship database was outstanding 20 years ago.

Agreed. Having worked with and delivered some great solutions with Oracle DB in the 2000's, I've been telling people since at least 2010, that Oracle used to be the answer to the question, "which enterprise database?", but now is the answer to "which is the one vendor I should avoid at all costs?"

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by necubi on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:25PM (#24465687)
It was actually named after the butler from Scooby Doo (Hudson was named after Angus Hudson, the butler from Upstairs, Downstairs)
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sangnoir on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:07AM (#24467613)
> Which I believe was named after Leeroy Jenkins...

IIRC, they wanted an English butler name[1] snooty enough to match "Hudson" - and Jenkins fit the bill (you can almost hear the British accent)

1. https://www.jenkins.io/blog/2011/01/11/hudsons-future/

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by CaptainZapp on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:15AM (#24467001)
Doing business with Oracle is a very risky thing. Their hard selling tactics are despicable, bordering on blackmail.

Oracle software licenses are so opaque that there's almost no way to be compliant and that's by design.

So in essence: Either you pay more for your existing installation or buy some additional shit, which you don't need, or else.

The or else is the threat of a software audit, which is almost guaranteed to find you non-compliant and gives you 30 days to either pay up or get rid of every Oracle software component. Best of luck with that.

There are umpteen stories about this behavior on the web. For example this: [1].

Oracle's business model is not really technology, but a licensing racket for enterprise customers. Sort of

Nice company you have here, would be a shame if something happens to it

[1] https://www.netnetweb.com/content/blog/oracle-audits-will-ge...

edit : rephrased a sentence

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by bch on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:38AM (#24466801)
SQLite “license”[0]:

Instead of a license, the SQLite source code offers a blessing:

May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give.

[0] https://www.sqlite.org/different.html

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by throwawaynothx on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:17PM (#24465633)
Ian Murdock, one of the creators of debian even resigned once sun was acquired by Oracle.
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by mastazi on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:18PM (#24465645)
Regarding the MySQL forks, what is the story? Do you mean MariaDB, or some other fork that I'm not aware of? Honestly I'm surprised at how MySQL managed to survive... Among all those other products that you mentioned, I would have thought it would be the first to die, because some people at Oracle might see it as a competitor of Oracle DB.
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by paulryanrogers on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:25PM (#24465694)
MySQL success is a mix of momentum, innovation in forks being backported, and a strategic focus on InnoDB at the expense of all other engines.

I'd say they are doing a mediocre job on the whole. But I may just be bitter over recent bugs like renaming a table crashing the server.

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by awill on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:29AM (#24466753)
didn't Redhat remove MySql from RHEL7 and replace with MariaDB, only to add it back (in addition to Maria) in RHEL8?

Any ideas why?

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by neurostimulant on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:42PM (#24465855)
IIRC are several forks of MySQL other than MariaDB, such as Percona.
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by throwaway8941 on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:22AM (#24466725)
Percona is not really a fork, it's the upstream MySQL (8 currently) with some patches which add more visibility to what's going on inside (and some performance stuff like the thread pool).
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by neurostimulant on Monday September 14, 2020 @11:36AM (#24471401)
Arguable these kind of "forks" are the one that keep mysql development and innovation progressing because those vendors would often submit those patches upstream.
Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by lmm on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:27PM (#24466465)
> Their flagship database is outstanding, worth every penny, the one to beat.

Nah. If it were any good then the license wouldn't prohibit you from benchmarking it.

Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by zmmmmm on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:00PM (#24466320)
Not sure they successfully killed Java yet ...