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Re:A Review of Language Learning Tactics by xnyan on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:23PM (#24454323)
I tried several times in various ways to learn languages, the only one that worked (I became and still am fluent in russian) for me was a combination of academic instruction and living in the target country. In my case this was eastern Ukraine.

The academic instruction was crucial for me. No matter how much I listened, I was never going to really understand the difference between unidirectional and multidirectional verbs of motion until it was explained in a way I could really grok.

On the other hand there is quite simply no replacement for hearing and speaking with native speakers of the target language. I taught quite a few English classes and there were often Ukrainian teachers who spoke English flawlessly, but for whatever reason students who only learned from non-native English speakers were at a clear disadvantage compared to those who also had native teachers, and everyone was at a disadvantage to those who had practiced in an English speaking country.

I worked with tons of people who lived in eastern Ukraine for years and never learned Russian or Ukrainian beyond a few phrases, I really do think it takes dedicated instruction combined with tons of practice with native speakers to really make fluency happen.

Re:A Review of Language Learning Tactics by laybak on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:34PM (#24454905)
thanks for sharing! agreed that an ensemble approach of trying a bunch of approaches and doubling down on what works is the most effective. Russian/Ukranian is certainly tricky to learn without formal instruction. Though as a counter example, I once met a guy who learned to converse fluently just by playing the guitar at bars and chatting up strangers. But that's just an anecdote
Re:A Review of Language Learning Tactics by cpursley on Saturday September 12, 2020 @11:03PM (#24457921)
We call that "piva-translate" at my local watering hole ;)