If management isn't a promotion, then engineering isn't a demotion

Re:If management isn't a promotion, then engineering isn't a... by kelnos on Friday September 11, 2020 @05:07PM (#24447330)

The opposite of that is more common I think, and really pisses me off. More often, I think, upper management will protect the lower managers and side with them whenever there's a dispute with an IC, even intentionally pushing the IC out.

My assumption is that upper management doesn't want to admit they've made a mistake in hiring their subordinate managers. And all of this just goes to reinforce the existing power structures.

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Re:If management isn't a promotion, then engineering isn't a... by nip180 on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:30PM (#24448788)

> My assumption is that upper management doesn't want to admit they've made a mistake in hiring their subordinate managers.

Avoiding situations like this is why we praise failure. When someone says “I made a mistake, this is what I learned, and this is how I will avoid making the same mistake” I give them much more respect then when they are just accepting bad outcomes.

Edit: And when I work with someone for longer than a year and they haven’t claimed any failures I assume they are either covering them up, not noticing them, or not engaging in risky enough behavior.

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