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Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teekert on Friday September 11, 2020 @06:16AM (#24441041)
I think, as op also insinuates, it is all about acceptance. Accepting one's shortcomings, accepting that you can't do everything you want(ed), that you wont become what you always dreamed of. Love yourself despite of what you think of as shortcomings, think of the things you did achieve (and the things you have, like a stoic philosopher). You are a pretty incredible being with pretty incredible skills. If only you acknowledged yourself as such.

Now this "accepting" is not just something you (can) just do, it may be exactly what you need a therapist for. Because you may have to undo years of thinking and redefine your default thought patterns, this is very hard work.

For all the parents, I think this is a pretty important thing to teach your kids. Telling them: "If you work hard you can be whatever you want to be!" Is, imho, damaging, because it is not true, you are setting them up for disappointment in themselves.

In short: Happiness = Reality - Expectation

Don't burden yourself or your kids with unrealistically large expectations.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by heinrichhartman on Friday September 11, 2020 @06:31AM (#24441149)
> I think, as op also insinuates, it is all about acceptance.

I second this. From my experience you have to START WITH ACCEPTING the status quo and honestly looking at it without judging or being ashamed. It helps me to tell myself: "This is not terrible. I am alive. I have a job. My body is still working OK."

From there FOCUS ON THE DELTA: What can I do today that will bring me into a slightly better position tomorrow.

Avoid thinking about the past ("I ate too much today.", "I did not exercise all week."). This is done. No way to change it.

Don't set high expectations. You only need to know where you want to be, and that you are going into the right direction. It does not matter much if you arrive there in one week or in five years.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by codeisawesome on Friday September 11, 2020 @07:03AM (#24441351)
I think the next level of peace and acceptance is unlocked when:

- you set the delta of “what can I do today to achieve” to be low enough that it’s actually realistic and not what you wish it was (while still being high enough to actually mean something), and,

- if you still fall short, you don’t kill yourself with shame & guilt, recognising that you actually lose more time in that process.

Not easy to learn, and not easy to stay in that space. Meditation helps (after a long long time of doing it).

(Oh and if you have ADHD - undiagnosed or otherwise - please forgive yourself for it, and forgive yourself each time you get thrown off the rails because of it - yes, even if that is multiple times per hour. Everything else flows from that forgiveness and self acceptance.)

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by smusamashah on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:21AM (#24443134)
This is the same line of thought Mark Manson (Subtle art of not giving a Fuck). He says seeking happiness is a bad idea and the same that telling kids you can be whatever you want is damaging just as you said. He says things that I feel like we know most of the times but just don't want to admit.

This[1][2] is what he has to say about depression. It's largely about acceptance.

[1]: https://markmanson.net/youre-okay

[2]: https://markmanson.net/the-uncomfortable-truth

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by chillwaves on Friday September 11, 2020 @03:29PM (#24446433)
I'm going to save some people time and summarize link [2]

Mark Manson says The Uncomfortable Truth is that our lives are meaningless and when we die, nothing we did will have mattered. That the human condition requires hope so we invent narratives, as individuals and as society, to create a mental framework that makes life worth living.

That's all well and good, I was hoping to get some solution or suggestion but I got to the end of the essay and it was essentially "now buy my book to understand more".

I'm going to assume link [1] is of similar quality and conclusion.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by dsego on Friday September 11, 2020 @07:54AM (#24441688)
Can't help myself, but I'm reminded of this sketch by Key & Peele that pushes accepting ones circumstances into the absurd. https://youtu.be/Ngk3VX405GE
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teekert on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:07AM (#24441777)
:D Brilliant, what a peace of mind acceptance and a general positive attitude can give ;)
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by NalNezumi on Friday September 11, 2020 @11:03AM (#24443585)
It surely is acceptance, but how do you convince yourself of it? How do you convince a young college student, a just-out-of college late 20's (me), a about-to-hit-midlife late 30's/40's person that is struggling to reach the expectation they have put?

Tell a college kid to lower his expectation and he will feel like a "unmotivated" person, tell a 30's/40's that and he will feel like a failure, all his struggle for nothing, and tell a late 20's to lower his expectation and that goes against every self-motivation influencer and (probably) what his surrounding successful peers suggest.

I think most people understand that the answer is acceptance, but how to reach that point, is so different for each person. Because some people overcome it by sheer grit, while some through therapists, it's hard for a person in the grind to realize what course of action is the best, and before it's too late.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teorema on Friday September 11, 2020 @04:13PM (#24446852)
I think part of it for me is this underlying anger. Despite these kinds of discussions, there's some sort of continued societal denial about many of the issues that are floating in the background.

Many of the things that are bubbling up in society seem all too much the same. Whether it's school or employers or whatever, there's this kind of overvaluing phenomenon, where the rich and/or successful get more rich and/or successful and we attribute their [increasingly, given increasing inequities] freakish success to something about them, as opposed to being in the right fitting environment at the right point in their careers, or corruption, or something broken in the system, or what. If you're too old, too black, too caring, worked at the wrong place, the place changed, didn't go to a prestigious enough school, were too rebellious as a young adult, whatever, don't know the right people, you're screwed.

I'm not sure what my point is, except to say this acceptance-struggle tension you're referring to is even more complicated because it's not just about lowering or raising your own personal expectations or standards, it's about everything else as well, about accepting or struggling against what's broken in society (at the risk of sounding too idealistic or self-righteous).

What do you do when it's not self-hatred vs acceptance, but self-hatred vs societal anger vs acceptance?

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by zoozla on Friday September 11, 2020 @05:58PM (#24447780)
Acceptance doesn't mean we stop fighting for justice. It just means we accept the current situation as the starting point from which we begin our fight. Releasing our hold on the anger doesn't mean we stop caring. It means we can use the anger to fuel our good fight and not remain stuck fuming on the sidelines.
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by Jeff_Brown on Friday September 11, 2020 @11:17AM (#24443723)
YMMV but for me, simply talking to lots of people about their lifestyles, expectations and goals helped me feel a lot better about my own.

That might sound obvious, but it's really easy to maintain a large set of relationships without ever talking about those things. Politics, science, arts, sports, etc. are so easy to fill a conversation with that it's a common pitfall to hardly ever broach the subject of who we are and what we're doing.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by zoozla on Friday September 11, 2020 @01:47PM (#24445329)
Acceptance is a bit of a misleading term. We can't directly accept anything, especially if we're trying to force it, because we'll be fighting against not being able to accept the fact that we aren't accepting our circumstances. It's quite recursive.
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teekert on Friday September 11, 2020 @11:24AM (#24443801)
It maybe difficult to change your expectations of life, maybe we should be asking, why do have these high expectations in the first place?
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by poisonborz on Friday September 11, 2020 @07:09AM (#24441383)
I think rating expectations beforehand is a self-defeating stance. Anyone can have whatever big expectations. The point is to work towards it, and then not being disappointed if the goal is not reached, and to enjoy whatever gains were collected on the road.
Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teekert on Friday September 11, 2020 @07:15AM (#24441427)
I wonder if there are humans that are really immune to feeling bad when constantly not living up to their own expectations.

Nothing wrong with working hard of course, just make sure you like what you do and who you are while doing it.

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by arsome on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:51AM (#24442188)
> Happiness = Reality - Expectation

So the real key to happiness is to set your expectations as low as possible!

Re:I built an app to fix my depression by teekert on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:13AM (#24443057)
You won't be disappointed in that approach, ever ;)