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Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Zenbit_UX on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:16PM (#24425994)
Cool tech. Out of curiosity have you considered using this technology as a backup source for hospitals and other critical infrastructure? Maybe via dedicated access tunnels underground in a city or a rooftop antenna in a more rural area?

Not sure if this is as big a problem in NZ but in Canada beavers and squirrels can and do shutdown sections of the grid - as can falling trees and large frozen branches in the winter. I can see a rural hospital benefitting from a redundant dedicated power source.

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by mNovak on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:34PM (#24426685)
Wouldn't a generator serve this role more easily? Less physical infrastructure, and what happens if the remote (only a few km) transmitter is also blacked out?
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:14PM (#24427891)
You could use a generator. You could also use a steam engine to power your car. But most of us prefer the cleaner, safer, more efficient solutions :)

Wouldn't you agree that replacing fossil fuel based generators with a cleaner and cheaper alternative is worthwhile?

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by mNovak on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:55AM (#24429299)
Not exactly a fair comparison, and dodging the point. Use a hydrogen generator if you prefer. Or a battery for that matter (as indeed our cars are headed). Point is it might be easier to be self-reliant (calculated local storage) than contrive a secondary power delivery pathway.
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by scoopertrooper on Thursday September 10, 2020 @02:09AM (#24429387)
I can't imagine generators that are used to accommodate intermittent power loss would contribute materially to overall carbon emissions.
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:32PM (#24426165)
You are spot on. this is one of the best use cases for Emrod tech
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by etimberg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:30PM (#24427196)
How do you reconcile the fact that this would still require local storage or generation resources at the receiving end? If to make this safe there are lasers to detect beam intrusions and shut off the link, users who require a steady supply could never depend on your technology.

This is due to the fact that there is no way to reliably forecast when a bird will fly in front of the link and shut it off. Since the receiver will still need storage or generation, it's probably more economical to just do that in the first place.

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by Emrod on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:22PM (#24427924)
Hi, not sure how you came to the conclusion that "still require local storage or generation resources at the receiving end". the whole point is replacing those with a steady connection to the national grid. the only difference being it would be wireless rather than copper based.

A transient object like a bird would not have a significant affect on continuity of supply. it is very small compared to the Tx/Rx surface and doesn't linger in the beam path.

Wouldn't you agree that replacing expensive imported polluting fossil fuel generation with a cleaner and cheaper locally sustainably generated energy is worthwhile?

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by etimberg on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:35PM (#24428013)
> doesn't linger in the beam path.

You cannot guarantee this. The bird could decide to fly directly down the beam path and there's nothing you can do.

Directly from the article:

> The system uses a net of lasers surrounding the beam to detect obstructions, like a bird or person, and it automatically shuts off transmission until the obstruction has moved on.

Since there are so many possible obstructions that could occur, I suspect that the link will continuously turn on and off. This will be worse than before so you'll need local storage or generation to account for these unplanned outages.

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by klmadfejno on Thursday September 10, 2020 @09:13AM (#24432013)
> You cannot guarantee this. The bird could decide to fly directly down the beam path and there's nothing you can do.

This sounds like the kind of thing that is technically possible but in practical probability a once in a millennium event

Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by c22 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:24PM (#24428315)
Being wireless it would be easier to set up redundant links.
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by ddingus on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:32PM (#24427993)
Is the Rf exposure to the bird significant?
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by throwaway189262 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:48PM (#24428101)
Else where in thread someone said 100 mw/cm^2. Not great, not terrible. Maybe 1/5 of putting bird in a microwave. Cooking time would be long but you may be able to get it to work
Re:New Zealand is about to test long-range wireless power tr... by ddingus on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:34PM (#24428657)
Frankly, I have concerns about birds. Insects are sub wavelength, so they won't be impacted, or at least the impact won't be obvious.

But the birds moving around...

Guess we shall see. That's what field tests are for.