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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by schmichael on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @04:53PM (#24425787)
I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript (which they have been prevented from doing). Get booted and join the lawsuit. That's the activist Mozilla I can get behind.
Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by tomp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:38PM (#24426228)
How is Mozilla to do that?

AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system.

Mozilla can't just push a rendering & JavaScript engine "over the air".

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by nodamage on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:31PM (#24427206)
> AFAIK Epic did their move by pushing "legal" iOS code, then doing an over-the-air update of adding non-Apple payment system.

No, the code was hidden in the app itself, just disabled via server-side flag. After the app was approved they then flipped the flag to enable it.

Source: Epic admits this in their legal filings.

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by dilap on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:55PM (#24426872)
Can't they? Is app review actually disassembling the code to see what capabilities it has?

Just include both native renderer and webkit, and over the air switch which you use.

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by dimmke on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:59PM (#24426909)
It’d get picked up by binary scanning tools. “Why did your ipa triple in size?”

Plus I doubt Mozilla is in the mode to burn months of programmers time on a stunt right now.

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by basch on Friday September 11, 2020 @12:47AM (#24439279)
compile firefox to javascript, render to canvas, stream the browser on app open.
Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by schmichael on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @06:02PM (#24426439)
Ah, fair.
Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by procombo on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:46PM (#24426315)
You think Mozilla still has it in them?

As a long time Apple user, and open software advocate I'd literally cry tears of joy. I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined.

I really just want Apple to separate their code signing (Developer) service with their advertising and distribution service (App Store).

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by Razengan on Thursday September 10, 2020 @05:36PM (#24436798)
> I'd also have to throw Zuck a bone if FB joined.

As a user, it’s appalling to see developers taking the side of user-hostile companies in order to take down a company trying to protect users.

It makes me want to avoid any products from such companies and developers.

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by jsjohnst on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:02PM (#24427821)
> I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript

It would likely be unusably slow if they did. Apple doesn’t allow apps in the store with the required entitlements to make an optimized JavaScript engine of entirely Mozilla’s design.