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Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:13AM (#24418981)
One cannot buy a house besides a landing lane and then complain planes are taking off and landing all day long.

If iOS doesn't offer what they want, don't buy Apple, plain and simple, there is nothing more to discuss and the judge will set this straight.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by SomeHacker44 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:50PM (#24423707)
For what it is worth, people actually in the real world do just that: buy property adjacent to a municipal airport and then cause problems for airport users... All the time. (Pilot for almost three decades.)
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by harpratap on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:59AM (#24419304)
In developed countries there are laws preventing sale of properties where noise may be so high that it's detrimental to one's health. So if the competition in market is hurting the merchants or consumers, it should be rightfully outlawed.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @07:39AM (#24419899)
The market is mobile phones, get a device not produced by Apple and be done with it.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by simion314 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:03AM (#24420542)
But if the judge decides that Apple abuses are legal the Google will do it too, then the you will say "Buy a FSF phone if you don't want Silicon Valley abuses, nobody is forcing you to have a phone or Internet"
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @09:58AM (#24421028)
What abuses? They are doing nothing that game consoles haven't been doing for 40 years now, or mobile stores since J2ME, Brew, Windows CE/Pocket PC locked to the mobile operator.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by simion314 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:16AM (#24421943)
OK. Let's assume that Apple wins. Smartphones makers can legally completely lock the users so you run only what they approve. In your opinion if Android is locked then is the argument "use Android if you don't like iOS walls" completely obliterated?

I am curious if TikTok gets banned and then will Apple remove the app from existing phones or somehow block it and will they do it for non US citizens (inside and outside US).

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:22AM (#24422004)
No, because that is how game consoles have been doing for 40 years now.

I also don't get to choose what goes into my cable tv box software although it runs some strange Linux distribution, and I really don't care.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by simion314 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:31PM (#24423460)
Your arguments are ilogical, try thinking more before commenting, is like saying "We could shit behind our homes since generations but the new king is demanding we build toilets and also to wash our hands" - if something was legal in the past for millennia does not mean it should not change.

Consider that there will be a judge and a trial and you can't claim that someone else started it , you need to show the judge that the users are not hurt by Apple businesses and IMO if we are lucky a law will be passed that will also fix console issues too.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:47AM (#24429262)
I am looking forward for the judge to validate Apple's decision.

People in Bielorussia are being hurt.

Apple is not hurting anyone, beside a couple of people that has been giving money to Apple because they do UNIX, instead of supporting Linux OEMs, and now complain that Apple isn't the hippie they came to expect.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by simion314 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @03:55AM (#24429941)
>I am looking forward for the judge to validate Apple's decision.

I will be OK if it is cleared what rights you have on your device, can Apple update the TOS whenever they want? are those pages of TOS you agree when you buy a device enforceable? What is the limit Apple can censor information that user receive from third parties.