Do you have examples? A chat application that has E2E and also let you carry your conversations between devices, that doesn't require you to pass through your mobile the way WhatsApp do it?

Wire (wire.com) has done it. You can install Wire on multiple devices and have the chats sync up. Every chat is E2E encrypted, one-to-one or group chats.

Even Signal Desktop does not require the communication to pass through the phone (or even to have the phone around after setup). WhatsApp is the odd one in this respect.

How does Wire do it?

Regarding Signal, they say this on their website:

> Signal Desktop is a Chrome app which links with your phone, so all incoming and outgoing messages are displayed consistently on all your devices.

https://signal.org/blog/signal-desktop/

That seems similar to what WhatsApp does, but I haven’t tried myself. Do you have more details on how that would work without passing by the mobile app?

It links to your phone to authenticate you. But from there, all messages are sent and received directly from the servers to all clients. So if your phone is off, but your desktop is on, the desktop client still receives them.

The catch is that if your desktop is off, it won't be able to "catch up" later on any messages that it missed. Although I don't see why that's impossible to implement in principle.

Matrix as well. https://matrix.org/blog/2020/05/06/cross-signing-and-end-to-...

I would like an example of even one of these, please?

Especially how they handle E2E encryption between multiple devices owned by the same user, without using one device as proxy.

Wire, Viber, iMessage, Keybase, Signal.

Here’s how Wire works https://wire-docs.wire.com/download/Wire+Security+Whitepaper...

Here’s Signal’s multi device protocol https://signal.org/docs/specifications/sesame/

Here’s Viber’s security white paper https://www.viber.com/app/uploads/Viber-Encryption-Overview....