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Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by jrockway on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:39PM (#24413784)
You can write a game without using Unreal Engine. You can't write an iPhone app without Apple's permission, even if you don't use a single byte from their SDK.

The "the app store pays for libraries" argument is total bullshit. Apple wants 30% of your Spotify subscription because they saw it, they wanted it, and now they're having a temper tantrum about it. Not because they laid the foundation for Spotify.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:57PM (#24413997)
In game consoles you can't even start coding for them unless they happen to like you, and on top pay several thousands for a devkit.
Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by gamblor956 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:33PM (#24414374)
This is false.

Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles).

Moreover, devkits are frequently made available for free by both companies to indie developers and even major partners.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by eigen on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:40AM (#24417582)
> Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles).

Xbox developer mode [1] appears to require a valid, current Partner Center app developer account [2]. Individual accounts are $19 and "With a developer account, you can submit apps and games to Microsoft marketplaces, including the Microsoft Store."

so you dont need a devkit but would need an Xbox and you do need an account to publish. so yes, while you dont need a xbox dev account to program, you dont need an apple dev account to program either. you just need a dev account on either platform to publish.

[1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devki... [2] https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/store/register/

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:35AM (#24417539)
Please provide the link for the Sony SDK, and Microsoft's XDK.

In Microsoft's case, UWP on XBox doesn't count as it is castrated to the actual OS capabilities, and hasn't been updated for a while and most likely it won't.

Re:Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages by gamblor956 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:35PM (#24423513)
SDK:https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers

In some version of Visual Studio the SDK can be downloaded from within the program.

XDK: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/get-starte...

The XDK (aka HDK) includes physical hardware and is intended for more demanding games.

Sony SDK: https://www.companyregistration.playstation.com/SCEInternetA...

The Sony SDK and HDKs are available to registered partners only, though registration is free and the SDK (but not the HDK) is free to all partners.