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Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by mola on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:12AM (#24408538)
Somehow these social media giants from the west would be allowed to collect crazy amount of data on their users, but tiktok would be deemed illegal.

If there was a real concern for users privacy and safety this would've been taken care of awhile ago.

All this is just war drums that try to seem like privacy concerns.

US corporate greed gave China a platform for world domination by offshoring everything. Now that the tiger is loose, us plebs need to go to war for them.

Bah.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by readarticle on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:49AM (#24409567)
Somehow these social media giants from the west would be allowed to collect crazy amount of data on their users, but tiktok would be deemed illegal.

Yes. It’s a separate issue.

If there was a real concern for users privacy and safety this would've been taken care of awhile ago.

Yes. The concern is over the entity exploiting the data, not the exploitation of data itself.

All this is just war drums that try to seem like privacy concerns.

It’s an explicitly political article that mentions China by name 7 times. ASPI is a defense & strategic policy thinktank.

US corporate greed gave China a platform for world domination by offshoring everything. Now that the tiger is loose, us plebs need to go to war for them.

The recommended actions are for governments & social media companies, not users or non policy making citizens.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by alisonkisk on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:48AM (#24409555)
I can vote for US leaders. I can't vote for Chinese leaders.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by zaro on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @12:06PM (#24409752)
But can you really? What are you really choosing from? One senile old man versus senior nacisistics idiot.

Doesn't seem like much of a choice.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by sbmthakur on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @01:21PM (#24410529)
Isn't that better than only one option? Also the choices have new additions every four years.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by zaro on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:54PM (#24416910)
I don't know. On one hand there is no choice, on the other hand there is illusion of choice.

I would say that no choice is more honest. The illusion of choice is a bit like the fake buttons on traffic lights, it's there to make you think you are in control of something while you are really not.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by 49531 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @12:48PM (#24410198)
On a similar note, as a US citizen I am more concerned with what data the US Government or US companies have on me than anything the CCP might have on me.

This might be naive but it seems like we have a much bigger privacy problem in the US.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by themacguffinman on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @02:36PM (#24411417)
I think it is naive. What's at stake here isn't the Chinese version of the CIA/NSA/FBI blackmailing you with collected info, it's China extending its censorship into US communication platforms. Dissenting speech against the CCP's interests will curiously disappear while pro-CCP propaganda is amplified. China would have control over discussion of its regime even in the US.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by xster on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @12:23PM (#24409935)
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by stelonix on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:29AM (#24408722)
Just wish there was a place like HN but with people who see the bullshit in imperialism. This is the place I come for rational discussion but when it comes to geopolitical issues, the globalist/western propaganda is rampant. Being from a country that has always been under US interventionism makes it unnerving. Lots of the people here, even if more (copy)left leaning, when it comes to geopolitics they just believe the western anti-communist koolaid; which is the reason I refrain from commenting anything that goes against the "commom sense" western propaganda.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by stann on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @12:12PM (#24409804)
Same here. HN has recently been swamped with polarizing geopolitical rhetoric. Finding it more difficult to get any rational discourse outside the pro-US echo chamber
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by mdorazio on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:26AM (#24409350)
The problem is the US doesn't have a monopoly on imperialism anymore and is not the only country pursuing questionable practices with respect to technology. A lot of critics of US policy changes on topics like this one have their own set of blinders on when it comes to this fact. You end up seeing a weird kind of cognitive dissonance in comments as a result.

It's generally best to avoid this trap by either talking about what the likely end results will be (fragmented web ecosystems bounded by per-country restrictions) or to talk in country-neutral objectives (no country should allow massive data collection and privacy breaches in apps, regardless of their place of origin).

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by VamosArgentina on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:45AM (#24408898)
I'm in a similar situation but generally try to rationalize our different opinions, even if it won't result in us agreeing. I think it has value
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by readarticle on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:50AM (#24409579)
Somehow these social media giants from X would be allowed to collect crazy amount of data on their users, but Y’s would be deemed illegal.

Could unironically be answered “Yes, and?” in a rational discussion about geopolitical issues, especially one without a globalist (or specifically western) bent.

I’ve gone ahead and done that in response to the GP just now.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by mola on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:26AM (#24417868)
Rational geopolitics usually lead to war. Because rationality, the kind you talk about, is a farce, a rationalizing, that hides the true motives. When these are not acknowledge you can't critic the actions on the correct terms. Thus these "rationality" usually spirals out of control.

Friendship, joint ideals empathy, are not strictly rational.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by readarticle on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:56AM (#24418062)
Friendship, joint ideals, and empathy don’t exist at the international level without a third party security guarantor keeping the various sides down, see: the history of Europe pre 1945 (and post ~2030 or so).

You’re not coming to HN to look for a rational discussion of geopolitics, you’re looking for someone to agree with.

Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by FooBarWidget on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @11:01AM (#24409089)
Don't let the downvotes discourage you.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by BTCOG on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:13PM (#24412675)
You may try visiting a forum based in your own country, as HackerNews is based primarily on Silicon Valley in the United States. I think you're completely barking up the wrong tree if you're looking to support communism or speak positively of communism in any United States hosted/primarily based setting and for great reason!
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by sbmthakur on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @01:24PM (#24410560)
Who among Bytedance and a US social media company is more likely to handover user data to their respective government?
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by jariel on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @02:14PM (#24411108)
They both do it, the question is how often and for what reason and the nature of the data.
Re:TikTok and WeChat: Curating and controlling global inform... by BTCOG on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:04PM (#24412513)
You miss the entire point which is stopping a communist foreign government from collecting large scale data on US citizens. The US government doesn't give a shit about Google, Apple, and Facebook collecting information they use on US citizens.