It's a flexible language, but I wouldn't say bloated - there actually aren't so many language-level features, but the features there are are very general. Some parts are simpler, e.g. in Python I struggle to remember which method you have to define to overload the * operator, whereas in Scala you just define a method called * . But I'd agree that there are a bunch of overcomplicated frameworks that can be pretty confusing - it's not always an easy language to get started with. But I stand by the statement that you can write Python-like code in it, at least once you know what you're doing.

> Python in most ML frameworks is just a frontend, other beefy stuff gets processed by c++ or c

Right, and that introduces a bunch of overhead and possibilities for weird errors - e.g. when you hit a bug in a library you pretty much have to learn how to debug C. In Python the benefits are worth it, but there's undeniably an overhead - if you could use the same language top-to-bottom but still have all the nice things Python gives you, that would be a much nicer way to work.

Macros are less of an issue with modern IDEs, and that is hardly any different from any other language with macro support, including Scala.