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Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by grishka on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:40PM (#24394892)
> There's something so arrogant about the right-to-repair and user-serviceable crowd who think devices should be crippled to suit their minority requirements at the expense of the majority.

I want to buy a device once and use it forever. That's it. It's that simple. The glued-together construction artificially limits the lifespan of the device.

And, actually, it's possible to have both. I remember there were water-resistant Sony phones that had user-replaceable batteries.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by chrisseaton on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:42PM (#24394898)
> I want to buy a device once and use it forever.

Ok... but most people don't. So you aren't going to get that. You can't expect phone development projects costing hundreds of millions of dollars to cater to your particular views. And guess what more: people who buy a device just once aren't going to be anyone's priority for anything.

> And, actually, it's possible to have both. I remember there were water-resistant Sony phones that had user-replaceable batteries.

How thick were they, though?

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by grishka on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:56PM (#24394974)
> Ok... but most people don't. So you aren't going to get that. You can't expect phone development projects costing hundreds of millions of dollars to cater to your particular views.

Imagine HTC unveiled a new phone that is the Desire S but with a modern-ish multi-core CPU and a non-potato camera. Everything else — the design, the size, the screen, the removable battery — is the same. How many people would buy one, given that the current 7" glass slabs remain a (prevalent) option?

And, I mean, people buy and keep iPhone SE (1st gen) and 5S for that same reason. The SE wasn't a flop, despite having a small screen no waterproofing. There's definitely a market for these.

> How thick were they, though?

I don't remember the exact model to google it, so given the period, I'd bet at least 8 mm.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by ddingus on Sunday September 06, 2020 @06:12PM (#24395071)
When we charge properly for the high cost of throwaway devices, I expect this to change.

What we do right now is toxic and wasteful.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by chrisseaton on Sunday September 06, 2020 @06:13PM (#24395082)
Apple will re-furbish or re-cycle your device for free. In fact they'll pay you for it.

Plus how many devices does Apple save from needing to be replaced by adding water resistance?

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by ddingus on Sunday September 06, 2020 @07:07PM (#24395371)
Water resistance is not new, nor required to be as repair toxic as Apple methods often are.

And the recycling is itself toxic. Recycling, in the view of people seeking more robust, enduring gear, is mitigation, not a solution.

It is entirely possible to make things that last.

Like big pharma sees real cures as bad for business, buy once, use for a very long time is also bad for business.

There are huge costs associated with both ideas.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by valuearb on Sunday September 06, 2020 @06:53PM (#24395292)
Then why aren’t you rocking an iPhone 5s? Still gets security updates. Or an iPhone 4? Probably still works on all phone networks.

The problem is you don’t see your own cognitive dissonance in demanding the latest most powerful phones last longer, but refusing to use old phones longer.

And iPhones are held together by screws, the glue just holds the components together better making it harder for falls and bumps to break connections, which makes the phone last longer without any repairs.

Re:The Right to Repair could help address a critical shortag... by grishka on Sunday September 06, 2020 @06:59PM (#24395321)
> Then why aren’t you rocking an iPhone 5s? Still gets security updates. Or an iPhone 4? Probably still works on all phone networks.

Well, close to that, I have a first-generation Google Pixel because iOS is too crippled for my taste. And, yes, I've replaced the battery twice and the glued-down screen is a major nuisance.