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Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by mc32 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:40PM (#24384878)
I tend to agree. Psychopaths are an unsolvable problem. People like them is “why we can’t have nice things”.

If it weren’t for psychopaths we would not need passwords or encrypted passwords or security protocols, etc, etc., because everyone would behave in good fashion. But we don’t so we can’t.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jchook on Saturday September 05, 2020 @12:45PM (#24384920)
That said, locking people in cages, treating them with inhumanity and violence, then releasing them into a world where they now have a harder time functioning in society and finding legitimate work doesn’t sound like a genius plan to solve psychopaths.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by TulliusCicero on Sunday September 06, 2020 @03:22PM (#24393912)
Agreed. Current US prisons are fucking awful. Treating people like animals isn't going to inspire them to be better. Drastic reform is necessary.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by SilasX on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:24PM (#24386206)
That's an argument for having more humane prisons, not for abolishing prisons in the sense of "place where you are confined from interaction with the non-sociopaths until you can be less sociopathic".
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jchook on Saturday September 05, 2020 @05:58PM (#24387178)
In an ideal world prisons would look so unlike our prisons that we wouldn’t call them prisons anymore.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jlawson on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:01PM (#24386024)
It's easy to criticize without suggesting any alternative.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by mhuffman on Saturday September 05, 2020 @06:15PM (#24387286)
The typical suggested alternative is "treatment", ie. hospital -jail!
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by wildrhythms on Saturday September 05, 2020 @11:05PM (#24388643)
Abolish the archaic punitive prison system. Focus solely on reform and rehabilitation. Return the right to vote to all federal prisoners. Abolish the most common driving force for violent crime: wealth inequality. Abolish the most common driving force for white collar crime: capitalism. Is that what you wanted to hear?
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by names_are_hard on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:45PM (#24385888)
I don't think this is true. I highly doubt I'm a psychopath, but in my life I've still done things that required the threat of violence to stop me. For example, a while ago I was ticketed for speeding. I didn't like getting ticketed, so I am now more careful while driving, and while I like to think I was being safe before, I'm honest enough to admit that it's probably better for society that I drive more slowly.

And you know what? If the ticket didn't come with some threat of forceful punishment for no payment, I probably wouldn't have paid it, and I wouldn't be afraid of getting another one.

I also wouldn't pay taxes voluntarily, at least not nearly as much as I pay now.

I do these things because I am scared of the law. I don't think I'm unusual, and I don't think I'm a psychopath. So unless the threat model is only serious crime, I don't think psychopaths are the only issue. I think most people are not good players once a community grows large enough to afford anonymity.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by pdonis on Sunday September 06, 2020 @05:02PM (#24394647)
> while I like to think I was being safe before, I'm honest enough to admit that it's probably better for society that I drive more slowly.

Why do you think this? Have you ever actually been in an accident caused by the speed at which you were driving? Have you ever had a close call?

If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then you shouldn't have needed the ticket to make you drive more carefully; you already had much better feedback.

If the answer to both of those question is no, what makes you think the government bureaucrats who drafted the speeding laws are better than you, the person who is actually driving and seeing the road and whatever hazards are there, at judging a safe speed to drive?

> I also wouldn't pay taxes voluntarily, at least not nearly as much as I pay now.

Would you pay them if you could link them directly to benefits? Goods and services provided to you by the government? For example, suppose you were told that if you didn't pay taxes, you would not be able to call 911 and have the police or an ambulance come if you were in danger or needed medical assistance? Or that the US military would not protect you if a foreign country tried to invade?

I think most people's aversion to paying taxes is because they believe most of that money does not actually provide a net benefit, but gets wasted on things that either benefit no one, or cost more than the benefits they deliver.

> I think most people are not good players once a community grows large enough to afford anonymity.

You have anonymity right here on HN. You seem to be having a reasonable discussion and being a good player.

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by truckerbill on Sunday September 06, 2020 @04:10AM (#24389845)
What's your motivation for thinking in that way?
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by ggggtez on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:04PM (#24385065)
>we would not need passwords

Hahahaha. You don't really think that all "hackers" are literally psychopaths do you? That's rather an amazing way to view the world, to be honest. Does it make it easier to go to sleep at night to attribute insanity to everyone who does anything you disagree with?

Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by jackcosgrove on Saturday September 05, 2020 @02:56PM (#24385988)
Normal people can be pretty terrible towards each other if they are desperate, for example if there is a famine or natural disaster that no one is responsible for.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by lemmonii on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:28PM (#24386243)
Yes in a sense but ultimately evolutionary equilibriums are the reason why. When everybody is a dove, being a hawk is very good, be it psychopaths, sociopaths or random opportunistic anti-social behavour.
Re:Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000) by bserge on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:30PM (#24386263)
It may be hard to believe, but most people only think about themselves and their family. And they'll do anything, with the justification being that "it needed to be done". They can have PTSD and nightmares afterwards, but in the moment they'll do anything.

People don't like to sit at a table and talk it out, and if the results are not to their liking, they'll just abandon diplomacy and switch to violence.

They're not psychopaths, that's just primal survival instincts.

Actual psychopaths and sociopaths are a minority, although a pretty powerful one since they don't care about your unwritten, unenforced social norms.