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Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by blackearl on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:14PM (#24377988)
I don't know how much or how little influence things like Robinhood and WSB have but it sure is entertaining to read about. I'm just hoping my conservative retirement investments don't get tanked for the lols
Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:20PM (#24378039)
> how much or how little influence things like Robinhood and WSB

Every attempt at seriously measuring this, and there haven’t been many I’ve found that can be publicly shared [1], found close to negligible levels of broader-market effects.

$4bn in options buying, on the other hand, will do it.

[1] https://ofdollarsanddata.com/robinhood-trader/

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by ra7 on Friday September 04, 2020 @04:59PM (#24378826)
With the way the market moved last few weeks (especially AAPL and TSLA), you could be forgiven to think the Robinhood effect was real. Especially when people like Matt Levine and even WSJ starts talking about it. People working from home, nowhere to spend money, seeing market news everyday and then jumping on to the most popular app to trade - all very believable for an unsophisticated "investor" like me.

I remember seeing a post on r/options this week about exactly this - large volume OTM calls causing MMs to buy stock and inflate price. This news has been very interesting in light of that.

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:49PM (#24379226)
> large volume OTM calls causing MMs to buy stock and inflate price

I’m a former options market maker. Seeing large volumes of retail flow is very different from seeing a giant institutional order. It affects what goes into the market versus gets internally crossed and what gets hedged and to what degree and how.

Individual investors have a moderately bad track record day trading. They have an abysmal one with options. I’m a decade out of the business, but we almost always defaulted to taking retail flow at risk.

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by ra7 on Friday September 04, 2020 @08:41PM (#24380434)
Thanks for your insight!

So basically, the individual investor is screwed because they can’t figure out institutional orders, but market makers can that allows them to hedge?

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by ethbr0 on Friday September 04, 2020 @10:44PM (#24381000)
I believe JC was saying that individual investors make bad choices, on the whole. Institutional less so.

Consequently, as a market maker who wants to limit their risk if a trade goes sideways, optimal hedging for each looks different.

(Part of this is probably related to the distribution of orders. I've heard large enough individual flow tends to mostly self-average.)

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by MiroF on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:10PM (#24378916)
> all very believable for an unsophisticated "investor" like me.

Yeah, the problem here is that irrational picks by these people working from home are just opportunities for arbitrage by the institutional investors, who stabilize the price.

Re:SoftBank unmasked as ‘Nasdaq whale’ that stoked tech rally by tinus_hn on Saturday September 05, 2020 @01:34PM (#24385337)
If you invest for the long term this has no effect at all.