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Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by _fat_santa on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:50AM (#24376034)
And I think this is why Reddit won't try to cater their main app to "our crowd" (Powerusers, HN readers, etc). In a way they already have an app just for us: their API.

Reddit knows it's going to be impossible to design a single app to cater to all types of users. They know there is always going to be a group of people that complain about one feature or another so they in-turn expose the API that we can build out own. Now if a group of users has a specific workflow they like, they can build an app that will specifically cater to them.

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by short_sells_poo on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:18PM (#24376310)
This would be fine if they just plain and simple catered to a group. What Reddit does though is they are actively hostile to one group.

I'm somewhat in the boat the parent is. I see the incredible value in something like Reddit - or maybe the Reddit of old. Where niche communities can self police and create a space for information and content that isn't found anywhere else.

Unfortunately everything has to be monetized. The people who own Reddit want to make money and therefore they try to toe the line of using just enough dark patterns to force the tiktok group to use the Reddit app and not to terminally piss off the nice groups.

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by mattgreenrocks on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:41PM (#24377138)
Eating the core users that got you started is pretty much the playbook for almost every Internet site that tries to win the mainstream.
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:52PM (#24377255)
And I believe Digg doing that was the start of Reddit?
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by dotancohen on Friday September 04, 2020 @02:21PM (#24377530)
Do you remember Slashdot Beta? That got me into Reddit and HN.
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by mattgreenrocks on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:10PM (#24377950)
It was pretty bad, though I'd argue the bigger problem with Slashdot were the comment[er]s themselves. :)
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by ragnese on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:07PM (#24377908)
Reddit was fairly popular before Digg killed itself. I remember reading about the Digg exodus on Reddit.
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by mattgreenrocks on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:07PM (#24377913)
Yep. The same attitude and everything.

What irks me is they're selling out their business to a userbase that is just as quick to ditch them when someone makes something that gives them a faster/strong hit of dopamine.

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by dredmorbius on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:03PM (#24380553)
Yahoo. Facebook.
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by toomuchtodo on Friday September 04, 2020 @02:22PM (#24377536)
Not everything has to be monetized. Reddit is a data store of links, text posts (EDIT: as well as images and video per FalconSensei), comments, user identities, and associated meta data. Let's Encrypt runs on a budget of $3MM-$4MM/year. OpenStreetMap's budget is a few hundred thousand dollars a year. The Free Law Project could store and serve all of PACER for a similar amount. HackerNews is hosted on a single server. You could run a clone of Reddit off of the Internet Archive if built properly.

Funding is needed, monetization at all costs is not.

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by levi- on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:43PM (#24378255)
I feel like your argument is making the case for "Nothing has to be monetized", rather than "Not everything has to be monetized".

Not everyone is going to share this altruistic approach to running a business. The majority of monetization probably does, plain and simply, come down to greed. But outside of that, you have ambitious people who envision so much more than what they currently offer—which may require large scale growth.

Regardless, I'm sure the majority of people's morality will be skewed when the service you offer grows to 430+ million active monthly users [0].

Each user goes from being an individual to just a single part of this mass-collective, where the difference between making $1 and $2 off each user is so mind-boggling high that it's hard to keep morals in check.

I guess there's a reason sociopaths do so well in business.

[0] https://redditblog.com/2019/12/04/reddits-2019-year-in-revie...

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by toomuchtodo on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:48PM (#24378302)
You're not wrong. I think there's a certain flavor of Trotsky's "Eternal Revolution" at play when you have an industry based off of zero marginal cost economics, with the battle always raging between those who can deliver on a shoestring (and are satisfied staying small) versus those who are attempting to capture the entire TAM (or the appearance of attempting to capture the TAM to pay themselves well from investor funds) and milk it for all it's worth.

The defense against sociopaths is eternal vigilence.

Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by FalconSensei on Friday September 04, 2020 @02:44PM (#24377712)
text posts? They store images and videos also
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by genghizkhan on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:33PM (#24376466)
The best answer to this is probably the fediverse. I don't know how well it works today, but I think that's going to be the way to go now.
Re:Reddit app got 50M downloads by making mobile web experie... by Abishek_Muthian on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:01PM (#24377874)
Unfortunately >"our crowd" doesn't make money for social networks as consumers, we sink the ads into the Pi Hole, we don't buy the virtual emoji currency, even Twitter struggled to make any money when it was just a platform for wordsmiths and that's issue with social networks targeting niche crowds. Pushing non-contextual ads on Reddit is extraordinarily hard as every subreddit is a platform of its own, so if the >"tiktok-esque" part of Reddit makes them money to sustain, I don't mind as long as they stop degrading the experience for those who are not into it.