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Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by voldacar on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:16AM (#24375675)
It is interesting to note that if you read Roman generals' letters from the fourth/fifth centuries AD, they seem like they have no idea that their civilization is in the late stages of decline, something totally easy for us to recognize millennia later. It's weird and uncanny, and kind of concerning given contemporary circumstances
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by Ericson2314 on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:26AM (#24375769)
Actually, that's reassuring. Virtually everyone agrees we are in a state of decline right now.
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by refurb on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:59AM (#24376134)
Strongly disagree we’re (the US) in decline at all.

If you think we are, you’d have to agree that the EU is post-decline. The UK, France (the list goes on) are all countries that are past their peak of power, influence and prestige.

But I would argue those EU countries haven’t declined in a negative sense. They’ve just evolved into something other than a global superpower.

Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by NotSammyHagar on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:08PM (#24376230)
Strongly, why? The us is declining in lifespan, people's happiness, education, govt and this was all before covid. Cv19 failures have revealed the problems more than ever.

Europe has some issues too but they don't have the same systemic failures we have. Also, Europe can be independently successful or failing from the us.

Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by HeadsUpHigh on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:58PM (#24379294)
France is not past their peak of power unless you count centuries old empires. UK and Germany sure, neither of them have any strong foreign policies and especially the UK isolated itself by their own decision.

France in comparison is building alliances in the Mediterranean, the Middle East and Africa. I believe they have a lot of growth in their future. They are far form done and very much realpolitik and with expansion in mind( plus one of the few countries that still holds colonies across the world).

Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by voldacar on Friday September 04, 2020 @07:53PM (#24380128)
the EU is the white dwarf of human societies
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by treeman79 on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:34AM (#24375862)
Covid aside, which is self inflicted, I highly disagree.
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by Voliokis on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:41AM (#24375931)
Funny, I agree with him because of things like Covid being self-inflicted. We're so unable, as a species, to avoid even known risks (yes, we've known about the risk of new Coronaviruses since SARS), prepare for them, or deal with them when they've actually occurred. Even now, a not insignificant part of the US population thinks Covid is a hoax. Or that climate change is a hoax. We're reaching a point where catastrophic failure is just a stone's throw away, and we're already seeing the system buckle (rise of the Republican's hold over Congress, the rise of Trump, the rise of far right activists across Europe, growing environmental issues causing things like surges of refugees and civil war, unrest across the globe, etc.). It's only going to get worse from here as problems go unsolved and people's suffering grows.
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by refurb on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:04PM (#24376182)
You may want to refresh your knowledge of American history. All those things you flag have always existed. It’s no different now.

History tends to get highly filtered and very little attention is paid to the incredibly bumpy road those times represent.

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Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by dang on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:23AM (#24381928)
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Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by SpicyLemonZest on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:53AM (#24376066)
Respectfully, politicians you don't like gaining power isn't evidence of the system buckling.

The other issues aren't exactly unconcerning, but I think we have to acknowledge that this is a quite peaceful time. For most of history, what we call "unrest" was the status quo, and there were in addition wars of open territorial conquest which are nearly extinct today.

Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by Ericson2314 on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:30PM (#24379076)
If you believe:

- Continued urbanization is essential to growth as we know it

- Non-urban voters are less attuned to what cities need to grow

Then regardless of political ideology, our disticts + FPTP method of growing makes non-negligible growth of the real economy very difficult.

Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by OSS542 on Saturday September 05, 2020 @09:17AM (#24383297)
Do you have any references for these letters ? It would be very interesting to read through them.
Re:The Decadent Society: How We Became the Victims of Our Ow... by seertaak on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:08PM (#24376788)
That's really interesting. Do you know if this cluelessness extended beyond the military elites?