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Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by vageli on Thursday September 03, 2020 @07:58PM (#24370245)
> > The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration.

> I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint.

Is there any country with unfettered immigration?

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by ashtonkem on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:10PM (#24370329)
Depends on your timespan. In the modern era only failed states that can’t actually secure their own borders have unfettered immigration; but it’s pretty rare for people to want to go into such countries.

Scroll back a few centuries, and what we’d consider to be “open borders” was much more the norm.

Then again, a few centuries before that and the vast majority of residents in Europe couldn’t legally leave the land that they were on, forget the concept of immigration. Leaving town could make you an outlaw, let alone your country.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by sushid on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:16PM (#24370380)
That's still true in some places today.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by CamTin on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:14PM (#24370361)
The United States before 1924 for one. Passports and travel documents didn't really exist at all until Napoleonic-ish times and weren't widespread until about WWI.

I personally feel that defining "citizen" in any other way than "people who are currently living here" is a form of apartheid and antithetical to our constitution.

Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by srtjstjsj on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:35PM (#24370535)
Part of why immigration law is so confusing and contradictory is that the framers of the Constitution had no concept of someone living in a country (with intent to stay) and not being a citizen. Even slaves and women were considered citizens.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by wang_li on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:59PM (#24370705)
They definitely did have an idea of people living here who were not citizens. Thus the Naturalization Act of 1790.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by wang_li on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:57PM (#24370697)
Or in 1882 when Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act.
Re:Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US fo... by petschge on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:09PM (#24370315)