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Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by gambiting on Thursday September 03, 2020 @04:16PM (#24368387)
Another option which is completely safe and permanent* is drilling a borehole few km down and dumping the waste there. It's not coming back no matter what. The research done into it shows that "only" 800 boreholes would be required to store literally all nuclear waste ever produced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal

*to a point where it was actually brought up as a negative, because if we ever wanted to recycle that waste into something else, it's literally impossible this way.

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by moneytide1 on Thursday September 03, 2020 @05:11PM (#24368946)
There's one in Finland:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_re...

They have thought thousands of years ahead and set up many different types of warning signs and symbols in case a future civilization discovers it.

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by gambiting on Thursday September 03, 2020 @05:16PM (#24368990)
I think the difference is that the one in Finland can still be entered like a normal tunnel. The deep borehole is literally just a vertical shaft that goes 5-6km down, you put the waste on the bottom and fill it back up. No geological process is bringing the waste back up in any conceivable timescale, and even if the entire civilization collapsed no primitive society can dig to 5km depth, so there's no need for much long lasting signage, no one is going to stumble upon it by accident.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by jaggirs on Thursday September 03, 2020 @05:30PM (#24369105)
No, they put zero warnings. Warnings only make it more likely that someone decides to start digging.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday September 03, 2020 @08:55PM (#24370691)
The idea that civilisation collapses and then recovers to the specific extent, where it is advanced enough to have coal-mines or similar, but not to know about radiation. Then it must find this particular repository and start digging, and die. Thousands of years must pass but they must dig up this sight withing a particular 100-year period of their development.

This is such a stupidly contrives scenario that you might as well plan for an alien incasion or zombie apocalypse. Lime prerequisite for that theory is civilisation collapsing, our investment in making sirebcovilisation does not xollapse is zero. You deal with it by making sure civilisation does not collapse.

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by rtx on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:18AM (#24371674)
Then they will know about radiation.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by roenxi on Friday September 04, 2020 @09:58AM (#24374962)
> They have thought thousands of years ahead

That level of stupid theatrics really annoys me. If society has regressed then it will be a godsend to rediscover nuclear power. If society has advanced this is like the Romans trying to anticipate modern problems.

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by Krasnol on Thursday September 03, 2020 @06:12PM (#24369476)
And than there is Asse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asse_II_mine

You just don't know.

The time frame is too long. It's too long for natural causes and far too long for human civilisation. The earlier we stop producing this crap, the better.

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by gambiting on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:14AM (#24373200)
Sure, but that's why I suggested deep borehole storage - there is no known geological process that can bring up material stored at 5km+ depth into the surface on any sort of human timescale. A mine, even at 700m depth, is just too shallow for long term storage.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by Krasnol on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:05PM (#24376191)
But there are many human processes which can.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by gambiting on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:03PM (#24377889)
....and? If you wanted highly dangerous materials to use for some evil purposes it's 1000x easier to just manufacture some poison rather than dig 5km deep. I'd argue that making radioactive isotopes in an accelerator is still easier than digging. Not sure what your concern is here.
Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by zmmmmm on Thursday September 03, 2020 @10:54PM (#24371268)
> It's not coming back no matter what

If you can drill down to put it in, can't you also drill down (or use the same hole) to get it out?

Re:Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety ... by gambiting on Friday September 04, 2020 @03:00AM (#24372449)
Well, yes, technically. I meant more that the waste won't come back on its own, through tectonic movements, earthquakes, meteor strikes or pretty much any other natural process known to man. You could drill down to retrieve it, but then it's a very specific thing serving one specific purpose. It's not like mine repositories, where they are at a much shallower depth and could be entered "easily" from the surface.