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Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by nbpoole on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:26AM (#2435873)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTE#General_notabili...

The article in question has a single external reference: a page on the CommonJS wiki which basically just says that NodeJS exists. Add some real citations to the article and the issue goes away.

Edit: Some anonymous user removed the notice. Here's the old version of the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Node.js&oldid=...

Also, notice the sentences "You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason" and "If this template is removed, it should not be replaced." in the original warning.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by phwd on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:36AM (#2435910)
I am not sure about being notable but it definitely does not read as informative in the sense for general knowledge (as said in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Node.js).

It reads as a README file to get me started with Node.js which looks very similar to the original

http://nodejs.org/

So a bit more effort may need to go into making this useful for public knowledge. (The Community section is not needed in my opinion) This is just my idea based on how the jQuery wiki page was organized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jquery

Notice how it actually explains the examples in more than one line. Again this is all observation.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by silentbicycle on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @01:18AM (#2436007)
Is it notable, though? Serious question.

I mean, Twisted and Tornado have actual references. (Eventmachine does not, but whatever.)

Node currently has two, one of which is a linkbait-y post on readwriteweb, the other is an extremely meager wiki template page. Ergo, it isn't notable.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by silentbicycle on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @08:14AM (#2436811)
In the wikipedia notability guideline sense, of course - if you don't like it, add references.

I mean, the page about the villain from Sonic the Hedgehog ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Eggman) has 47 references.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by mturmon on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @02:15PM (#2438417)
What a great article. I read your reply and I thought, this is clearly a case of fortification against deletion ("Doctor Eggman doth protest too much").

But then, after a look at the article, it's clear that you can't make a good case for deletion after all. There's a lot of info there, a lot of deep cross-links, etc.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by silentbicycle on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @03:39PM (#2438815)
Wikipedia has a lot of surface area. Another favorite example of mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_fish_on_stamp...

I'm not sure deleting stubs really gains much (http://forre.st/storage --> "here's a nickel, go buy another gigabyte"), but adding sources really does improve articles. There's concrete info about node.js that people can cite (and the less hype-ish, the better).

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by m0nastic on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:36AM (#2435907)
I tried to add information about how Node.js is now part of the webOS SDK, but then it complained that someone else was now editing it.

And there was the first time I've ever tried to edit a Wikipedia page.

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Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by pkulak on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @01:11AM (#2435989)
It's looked exactly like this at least since I last looked at it last week.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by olalonde on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:23AM (#2435865)
125 job offers for Node.js on Indeed.com, doesn't that make it somewhat notable? http://www.indeed.com/q-Node.js-l-United-States-jobs.html
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by tokenadult on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:57AM (#2435956)
What was cited in the Wikipedia article? That's what helps the article meet the standards of an encyclopedia, having references to reliable sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by cppsnob on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @02:03AM (#2436105)
I think you mean: "125 jobs that mention node.js anywhere in the description."
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by davidclopez on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @01:48AM (#2436063)
any of you noticed that there was an entry citing that node.js is a "useless event-driven I/O framework" ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Node.js&oldid=...

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by danielle17 on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @02:08AM (#2436116)
saw that, looks like it is fixed now
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by davidclopez on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @02:57AM (#2436219)
it's funny. because I was actually viewing the wiki page before I saw this post. Had it open in another tab, and when I went back to it to read it I found the little surprise left by some troll.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by derleth on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:49AM (#2435947)
Let's not go nuts about this, OK?

Like it or not, Wikipedia is the web's jumping-off point for serious knowledge about a given subject, especially technical subjects, and having citations in the article gives people reasonable places to jump off to.

So don't spam the deletion discussion. Add good citations and references instead.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by aberkowitz on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @02:13AM (#2436123)
I don't advocate going nuts about it, but Wikipedia's deletion policies often lead to the permanent removal of interesting topics.

There are things that I have learned from Wikipedia that no one else will ever be able to read - because some arbitrary decision maker decided it wasn't important. That's what frustrates people.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by dexen on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @04:48AM (#2436427)
> (...) but Wikipedia's deletion policies often lead to the permanent removal of interesting topics.

Quite the opposite, in my experience. The policies are reasonable and help the content stay. However, they are subject to interpretation -- and some experienced users that prefer deletionism (``deletionists'') -- are able to game the system and get some content removed pretty much in spite of policies (at least its spirit).

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by justincormack on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @04:53AM (#2436440)
Name the articles. If they are useful I am quite happy to rework them into something salvageable.

In most of the cases what is deleted has no real content, but a year or so later someone will recreate the article well, probably not knowing it had been deleyed.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by joeybaker on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @01:04AM (#2435975)
And then there was the day that the HN and the Wiki communities clashed.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by cdr on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:25AM (#2435870)
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by shii on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:51AM (#2435951)
No witch-hunts please. Put your pitchforks and torches down. Let's finish this like gentlemen; find real citations and references to add to the page as nbpoole suggests.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by trafficlight on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:27AM (#2435876)
I don't see why any of those articles should be deleted.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by compuguy on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @01:06AM (#2435979)
Wikipedia can be a complex, and confusing place. I've edited several articles, and I still don't get their culture....
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Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by cdr on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:34AM (#2435902)
>> If by "culprit" you mean "person who noted that there a number of very poorly cited Wikipedia entries," yes.

"And decided that said heavily-trafficked articles should be deleted as being unnotable, instead of asking for more citations."

Sure.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by nbpoole on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:38AM (#2435917)
Sorry about that. I deleted my original post because I liked reddittor's phrasing better. But since you decided to reply to my post, I'll respond too. :-)

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"And decided that said heavily-trafficked articles should be deleted as being unnotable, instead of asking for more citations."

Except that's the opposite of what happened. Read the notice: anyone is free to remove it even if the contents of the page aren't changed. Removing the notice stops the process. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion:

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Proposed deletion is the way to suggest that an article is uncontroversially a deletion candidate, but that it does not meet the more stringent criteria for speedy deletion. If no editors object, nominated pages are deleted after seven days. An article may be PRODed only once. This process reduces the load on the articles for deletion (AfD) process, but should not be used to bypass discussion at AfD.

There are three steps:

1. An article or disambiguation page is nominated when an editor carefully reviews the article and inserts the {{proposed deletion}} tag by placing {{subst:proposed deletion}} on the page. This lists the article in Category:Proposed deletion.

2. If any person objects to the deletion (usually by removing the {{proposed deletion}} tag), the proposal is aborted and may not be re-proposed.

3. The article is first checked and then deleted by an administrator 7 days after nomination. It may be undeleted upon request.

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To object to and therefore permanently prevent a proposed deletion, remove the {{proposed deletion}} tag from the article

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Personally, I greatly prefer that to the usual system I see: vague warnings about non-notability followed much later by a full AfD process (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion). Take this as a wake-up call that the article needs some attention, not as a personal attack or an attack against a community.

Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by cdr on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:46AM (#2435939)
This guy's requests for deletion look to be automated and on a massive scale. I can't agree that what he's doing is remotely appropriate, and while it's not an attack on node.js specifically, it's definitely an attack on the computing part of wikipedia in general.
Re:Node.js wikipedia entry marked for deletion for not being... by reddittor on Tuesday April 12, 2011 @12:26AM (#2435874)
Let's not jump the gun and start pointing fingers. Wikipedia is a hard beast to manage and we have to assume the moderator acted in good faith.