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Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by scarmig on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:40PM (#24346811)
It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans?

Even if the chat bot would lack verisimilitude, I can imagine outsourcing the messages to developing countries and adding some tools to let them make quick, cash-generating responses more efficiently.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by CapricornNoble on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @07:13PM (#24348210)
>>>It gets me to wondering: how hard would it be to create computer generated OnlyFans models (actors? performers?) and set up some chat bots to interact with fans?

Arguably, this has been attempted already with Projekt Melody.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody

Twitch suspended the account, and a bunch of biological female streamers were pissed that a computer-generated female was cutting into their market.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by nemothekid on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @09:26PM (#24349102)
While I don't know why Projekt Melody got banned, on the YouTube side, VTubers are already a thing, the largest one I know of is kizuna ai with 2.8M subscribers
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by moralestapia on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @09:17PM (#24349050)
> [...] new guidelines for acceptable levels of clothing coverage that everyone on the website is required to follow, including digital characters like Melody.

Given that their experiment was quite successful and already had a few sponsors ... couldn't they just add some clothing to avoid being banned?

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by chii on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @02:52AM (#24350691)
it was a temporary ban.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by an_opabinia on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @08:27PM (#24348737)
It's an open question if Twitch gets anything out of non-pro-gaming streamers.

Ultimately those dollars come at the expense of others, there is limited attention and money, it really isn't something that would just exist elsewhere.

For example people also spend a lot of money on virtual slot machine games, so much so they were usually one out of every 11 apps in Apple's top grossing, back when they reported this list. It couldn't possibly be healthy for the app ecosystem, it sucks the air out of the room for other developers making creative or useful stuff. Sure it makes money, but a lot of things make money, it's stupid to reduce the effect of virtual slot machine games down to, "Well its users wouldn't spend the dollars elsewhere, and the more money to Apple the better, so it helps everyone."

The success of virtual slot machines has hurt video game developers, because financiers expect you to reproduce their mechanics, even though their expectation that it's all about mechanics is wrong. Hence many games with pointless slot machine mechanics.

Nobody needs OnlyFans. OnlyFans harms earnest creators, it ghettoizes earnest female creators especially because your agent, your manager, your friends, your family, your viewers - they will now expect that the surest way to make money is selling your body, and not by having any real talent or skills. OnlyFans and its porn stars have completely co-opted well-meaning people with this talk about sex work, COVID, it sucks to live in Bulgaria and whatever. Bella Thorne is of course a huge hack, it is preposterous she is repeatedly being given a platform by the media where the net result will be, more people will stop trying hard and gamble on being nude online.

They're not the only platform. TikTok is full of talentless hacks too, who simply win a random Internet lottery and are completely and utterly distorting earnest creativity and opportunities for hard working people. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube also reward SEO / ripping off other people's stuff much more than creating something original. This "well it makes money" bullshit has to end.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by nl on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @09:24PM (#24349090)
> It's an open question if Twitch gets anything out of non-pro-gaming streamers.

> Ultimately those dollars come at the expense of others, there is limited attention and money,

What? There are huge untapped markets for live streams of "things" outside pro-gaming. I have zero interest in gaming but watch streams of people doing various projects (mostly on Youtube, but this is just showing there is a market).

> people also spend a lot of money on virtual slot machine games... it sucks the air out of the room for other developers making creative or useful stuff.

This seems an incredibly zero-sum way of looking at it. Maybe there is some cross-over between some zero-effort casual gaming and gambling, but that is a long way from "useful stuff".

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by kofejnik on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @06:22PM (#24358889)
> the surest way to make money is selling your body, and not by having any real talent or skills

oh here we go again. Explain to me how OnlyFans models sell their bodies, but countless actresses who play shitty parts in shitty movies, for peanuts, do not, just because they don't show their tits?

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by ardy42 on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @02:49AM (#24350673)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt_Melody

Man, that's an awfully written Wikipedia article.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by severak_cz on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @05:19AM (#24351405)
I like how they avoided uncanny valley by using stylized model.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Animats on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @09:41PM (#24349198)
There's a whole genre of virtual girlfriend apps. It's almost mainstream in Japan. The next thing is augmented reality virtual girlfriends.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by actuator on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:47PM (#24346879)
Unethical but I won't be surprised if that is exactly what's happening. Once you have the media, you just need a person to chat up and insert that media. For all we know, that can be a dude.

For content as well, you can scrape other platforms and create a new identity.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by HenryBemis on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @05:24PM (#24347252)
Wasn't it disclosed through the Ashley Madison hack that they were employing bots (and real people) to keep the clients busy and lure them into buying more "chatting privileges" (number of messages etc.?

So this has already happened to some degree. As AI (aka humans teaching computers) to make for better "hungrier" chatboxes, with the escalation (buy more messages, send client to next tier), sell a "more personalized package" (to use the parent comment of his friend).

This could do a nice Black Mirror episode. Like the one where she lost her husband, her friend registered for the Tier1 service and it went on from that..

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by mrguyorama on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:44PM (#24346848)
You've reinvented half of the scams that are run out of business buildings in nigeria
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by qtplatypus on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @11:47PM (#24349801)
So basically what Kizuna Ai pretends to be but for real?
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by TeamTurtle on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @05:01PM (#24347004)
Pretty sure the term you're looking for is e-whoring and it's a thing.
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Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by elliekelly on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @08:41PM (#24348826)
In addition to being a total scumbag move, using the face of a real identifiable person would be criminal in many jurisdictions even if the photos/videos were computer generated.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by xwdv on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @08:50PM (#24348879)
Just don’t conduct operations in those jurisdictions then.