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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by en4bz on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:14PM (#24344898)
All this on Samsung 8nm (~61 MT/mm2). They didn't even feel the need to use TSMC 7nm (~100 MT/mm2). Probably keep the price down and to reserve capacity at TSMC for the A100.

This is like the anime hero/villain (depending on your perspective) equivalent of fighting at half power.

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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by ss248 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:57PM (#24345490)
>They didn't even feel the need to use TSMC 7nm

They just couldn't get enough wafers. They tried to force TSMC to lower the prices and it backfired.

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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by pdimitar on Thursday September 03, 2020 @01:08PM (#24366153)
How did it backfire?
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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by lend000 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @08:05PM (#24348575)
I don't have a source on hand, but my understanding is that Samsung significantly undercut TSMC on pricing, likely to stay alive in the high end fab business. Samsung is probably making extremely low margins on these, hence the lower than expected MSRP.
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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by ZeroCool2u on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @02:25PM (#24345041)
On the slide in the presentation it did say something like Samsung Nvidia Custom 8NM process, so perhaps Nvidia made such significant contributions to the process that it's not really Samsungs process anymore?
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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by wmf on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:02PM (#24345567)
TSMC's "customized" 12FFN process just had a larger reticle, so the burden should be on Nvidia to explain any customization. I don't think they deserve any benefit of the doubt here.
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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by gpm on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @05:09PM (#24347090)
Why would Nvidia willingly explain any customization? Surely keeping that secret is a competitive advantage.
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Re:Nvidia Unveils GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs by npunt on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @05:49PM (#24347517)
Yeah, impressive for the node. TSMC's latest N5 process is 173 MT/mm2, which Apple is using now and AMD (probably in N5P form) will start using next year. EUV is really a big step up.
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