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Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Traster on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:16AM (#24341936)
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>Ms Michelle has 550 fans and makes $8,000 a month, charging a $30 subscription fee to users. She also relies on tips ranging from $5-$200 for pay-per-view photos, videos and text messages.

>She says her OnlyFans work is the only way she can support her family due to the pandemic, and fears many other content creators will struggle to make ends meet going forward.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by rblatz on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:39AM (#24342246)
That $8,000 has to be after taxes. Because after OnlyFans cut she should be taking home $13,500.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Pfhreak on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:44AM (#24342312)
Does a 'fan' imply a subscriber? That could be the difference between a follower and a subscriber.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by lovegoblin on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:22PM (#24346593)
> Does a 'fan' imply a subscriber?

Yes. Generally there is no "free" tier.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Pfhreak on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:24PM (#24346609)
Thanks. I'm not familiar. I know that Twitch, for instance, has a separate concepts for subscriber (pays money) and follower (wants updates on the person).
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:21AM (#24341989)
>She says her OnlyFans work is the only way she can support her family due to the pandemic, and fears many other content creators will struggle to make ends meet going forward.

Really? There's always working at Walmart, Target or even collecting an income from Patreon?

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by aczerepinski on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:32AM (#24342155)
Can you really support a family working at Walmart? I can’t even imagine trying to do that. Rent in a modest apartment in my town would be like 2/3 of your income.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by bluGill on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @04:35PM (#24346759)
Yes, people do it.

It isn't an easy life. You get a tiny apartment and share bedrooms. Parents (more likely parent though) often sleep in the living room. Not all apartments will allow this but enough will that you can find a place. There is enough money for shelter and food, and the cheap cable TV, so that is your entertainment.

It isn't a bad life, but you are limited away from a lot of the things most of us enjoy.

I know people who have done it. I went to college and want my kids to do the same so they don't have to live that life. Unfortunately most in that life don't realize that it wouldn't be hard to get their kids out of it. They are eligible for a lot of programs that the rest of us can't get to take care of the costs, but if you don't realize that the effort of applying yourself is worth it they won't get you out and the cycle repeats.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by kikokikokiko on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:54AM (#24342413)
If your only option available is a Walmart job, you definately should NOT be having kids. Society used to judge things like irresponsible pregnancies, and everybody were way better off because of that.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by slothtrop on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @03:28PM (#24345924)
Fertility rate scales with poverty. Those earning middle-class wages or higher tend to have fewer kids, or none. Much is linked to education and access to contraceptives. People will have sex, period. Shaming people for having kids helps at nothing.

> Society used to judge things like irresponsible pregnancies, and everybody were way better off because of that.

Revisionist delusional fantasy. In Western society people had far more children a couple of generations ago, regardless of wealth. The Church pressured this as well.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by kikokikokiko on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @05:21PM (#24347220)
Yes, people tended to have way more children. And pregnancies out of wedlock were way less prevalent too. Having two Walmart paychecks instead of one per household will make it way easier to raise a family. But nowadays single moms are heralded as heroes... so-much-progress. Such progressive times.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by slothtrop on Thursday September 03, 2020 @10:00AM (#24364109)
That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

People laud single moms not because there's a virtue in being single while raising kids, but because it's a hardship, particularly to do well.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by chillwaves on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @09:23PM (#24349087)
This is such an awful and tone deaf comment. Reproduction is a fundamental biological need.

We should not be denying people who are exploited by our economy this biological right. What we should be doing is lifting up the worker to a baseline of dignified living.

I sincerely hope you will take a few minutes and reflect on your statement that poor people should not have kids, and that society should somehow punish them for doing so.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by ironmagma on Wednesday September 02, 2020 @08:47PM (#24359814)
> Reproduction is a fundamental biological need

Do you need reproduction to survive? Well, lots of people are alive who haven't reproduced, and many are of old age. So, this doesn't quite check out.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by srtjstjsj on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:07PM (#24343304)
Everybody except, you know, the families who were permanently destroyed.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:50AM (#24342375)
I'm sure poor Bella would be fine, everybody else on the platform making less than that might want to reconsider their monthly spending.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by pascah7 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:26AM (#24342051)
Do you really think that everyone can work at Walmart, Target, etc? And I'm referring to the fact that those companies can hire only so many people in one location.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:51AM (#24342384)
Yes you can. Walmart, Amazon and Target are doing just fine, when worst comes to the worst, there are options.

And also you can do both.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colejohnson66 on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#24342046)
A grocery store doesn’t pay $8k a month (unless you’re a manager at that store)
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:54AM (#24342411)
Sure, I am all for creators not going to work at a grocery store, there are other options for them to make an income, and it doesn't even have to be forever.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Pfhreak on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:32AM (#24342157)
Retail jobs introduce a higher risk of catching corona, pay terribly (likely close to minimum wage, which isn't enough), are terrible banal working environments, require travel to and from each day, have schedules that might not work for this person, etc.

There are tons of valid reasons why someone can't "just get a job at Walmart".

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by MisterBastahrd on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:55AM (#24342424)
I see you missed the "only way" part.

She isn't doing this because it's the only way she can make a living. She's doing it because it's the easiest way to make money.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by jrnichols on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @06:03PM (#24347667)
That sounds a lot like my job as a Paramedic, actually.

At least Walmart got hazard pay. We were specifically exempted from it.

I too lack sympathy that she's only making $8,000/mo on OnlyFans. Reality is that she may have to adjust her lifestyle like hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people have.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by kpmcc on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:31AM (#24342134)
The good ole “get a job” reply. You hate to see it.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:55AM (#24342433)
Who said "get a job?"

For everyone else on the platform, probably yes? If I was them I would consider options.

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:27AM (#24342067)
Those are closed, restricted or its employees furloughed due to the 'rona and won't pay nearly as much as selling pictures on the internet. Patreon has the same issues and a different model - less personalized, and you get paid per creation (or per month), instead of the individual sale model that Onlyfans seems to have (based on this article). Not as much space for personalized requests either.
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @11:03AM (#24342538)
> Patreon has the same issues?

But creators can still make money on this platform no? I see most creators there, what are these 'issues'?

Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by Eldt on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @10:24AM (#24342040)
Really? How well do they pay?
Re:Bella Thorne, OnlyFans and the battle over monetising con... by colesantiago on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @11:01AM (#24342500)
Well enough to make at least some additional income, really bad to put all your eggs in one platform.