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Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by m0zg on Sunday August 30, 2020 @03:07AM (#24321881)
> ability to "shape" the incoming class

Also known today as racial discrimination where Asians are heavily downweighted, similar to how Jews were downweighted 40-50 years ago. Then again when Columbia rejected Richard Feynman because he was a Jew, it put a permanent stain on their reputation, and Feynman did all right anyway. I'm pretty sure smart kids will do all right, Ivy League or no Ivy League.

Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by chongli on Sunday August 30, 2020 @10:15AM (#24323151)
There are plenty of elite schools outside the Ivy League which do not discriminate against Asian students. The aforementioned Berkeley, for example, had only 21% incoming white freshmen in 2019 but 17% incoming Chinese freshmen [1]. This is particularly striking given that only 1.3% of US residents are Chinese-Americans [2]. You’ll find a similar story for the representation of other Asian and south Asian freshmen at Berkeley.

[1] https://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans

Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by SpicyLemonZest on Sunday August 30, 2020 @11:06AM (#24323370)
California law prohibits Berkeley from applying discriminatory racial preferences. It's my understanding that, with a handful of exceptions, almost all elite schools which are allowed to discriminate do so.
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by will4274 on Sunday August 30, 2020 @11:18AM (#24323439)
And there's a ballot measure in November that would allow Berkeley to discriminate based on race again.
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by strikelaserclaw on Sunday August 30, 2020 @06:17PM (#24326415)
Harvard isn't trying to pump out just academics or engineers, lawyers and doctors. They want to pump out prominent businessmen, politicians, activists, fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability and can't really be measured by sat scores or GPA
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by ffggvv on Sunday August 30, 2020 @07:55PM (#24327087)
but skin color can measure it?
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by strikelaserclaw on Sunday August 30, 2020 @08:36PM (#24327342)
in some cases a most definite YES. America is not some post racial utopia, we are far away from Asians having prominence in politics or social life.
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by m0zg on Sunday August 30, 2020 @09:03PM (#24327506)
This could be because politics sucks and pay is low, so successful lawyer/doctor Asians do not want to participate in it.
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by mas3god on Monday August 31, 2020 @04:22PM (#24335540)
One of the leading candidates in the DNC was Asian, this is about forced diversity from woke-ism
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by m0zg on Sunday August 30, 2020 @06:24PM (#24326461)
> fields like these have a looser correlation to raw technical ability

Citation needed.

Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by strikelaserclaw on Sunday August 30, 2020 @06:32PM (#24326527)
You think George Bush or Donald Trump got a 1600 on the SAT, valedictorian of their high school, and/or play the violin at a high level?
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by m0zg on Sunday August 30, 2020 @06:35PM (#24326545)
No, but they aren't really the examples of excellence you're looking for. :-)
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by dunce2020 on Sunday August 30, 2020 @10:12PM (#24327887)
They're not fucking nerds, no.
Re:Secrets of Elite College Admissions by jonahbenton on Sunday August 30, 2020 @09:22AM (#24322996)
With respect, no. This lens misunderstands both the "admissions" process, the larger goals a given Uni has, and charter they operate under. In practice at the Uni level a much more significant amount of filtering is done through aid packages.