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Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by pkphilip on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:45AM (#24316052)
Facebook's actions in India are absolutely despicable. The head of policy at Facebook in India is a radicalized member of the Indian rightwing and recently put up a post stating that Muslims are a "degenerate community" and was forced to apologise just a couple of days ago because of pressure on FB from their employees.

She gave a half hearted apology. Facebook should have immediately suspended her or sacked her:

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/facebook-ankhi-das-anti-...

She and her sister (who is a politically connected to the ruling BJP party) have publicly been hobnobbing with the BJP and have actively been involved in propaganda. https://twitter.com/SaketGokhale/status/1294653379046596608

During the recent riots in Delhi where many died, the incitement of violence was by a member of the ruling party but has taken no action against Kapil Mishra's account which is still active:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=283365149510764

His account is still active and he still continues to try and make the Hindus fight the Muslims:

https://www.facebook.com/youth4justice

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by ashleshbiradar on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:59AM (#24316148)
Whatsapp is also used extensively to share misinformation and hateful content, fueling mob violence and hate, especially targetting the minorities across the country.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/09/whats...

besides that, the ruling party actively uses whatsapp for political reasons, with it's infamous "It Cell" known for manufacturing fake news. https://theprint.in/politics/9500-it-cell-heads-72000-whatsa...

So much so, that the current Home Minsiter of India, Amit Shah was seen in public bragging about the power of the IT Cell to "We can keep making messages go viral, whether they are real or fake, sweet or sour" https://www.thequint.com/news/politics/amit-shah-real-fake-c...

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by envy2 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:05AM (#24316186)
So, I completely understand the concerns about moderation on Facebook itself.

But what would you actually have anyone do about WhatsApp? It's an end-to-end encrypted messaging app, and the whole purpose of end-to-end encryption (which, last I checked, HN was generally in favour of) is that there is no way to surveil or moderate the content of someone's communications.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by ashleshbiradar on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:10AM (#24316219)
The intent behind talking about WhatsApp wasn't in terms of moderation, but just WhatsApp-a Facebook product, used as a tool used to spread hate/misinformation for political gains.

edit: and how Whatsapp in general has fractured the information-media ecosystem, sending shock-waves across the democracy.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by gruez on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:21AM (#24316289)
>It's an end-to-end encrypted messaging app, and the whole purpose of end-to-end encryption (which, last I checked, HN was generally in favour of) is that there is no way to surveil or moderate the content of someone's communications.

AFAIK group chats aren't e2e, and that's where most of the misinformation is shared.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by captn3m0 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:40AM (#24316412)
Group chats are E2E in Whatsapp. You’re thinking of Telegram.
Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by statguy on Saturday August 29, 2020 @01:39PM (#24317863)
Imagine a White person, who is the head of the organization in a country sharing a post that African Americans are a "degenerate community". In any western country, the person would not only be promptly sacked, but would also become untouchable in mainstream organizations.

The Indian politics and judiciary have been compromised by right wing Hindu nationalists and it is impossible to expect anything from them. However, I expected better from Facebook. In a western country Facebook wouldn't think twice about firing any employee who shared such a post.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by scarface74 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @06:39PM (#24319916)
Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by jariel on Saturday August 29, 2020 @03:25PM (#24318757)
America is not in a cold war nuclear standoff with an large African nation with whom it shares a border, whereupon millions of it's own citizens may believe that by virtue of their culture then land they live upon should be in said 'African nation' instead of America.

Point being, even though it's terrible ... it's really, really different.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by claudeganon on Saturday August 29, 2020 @10:03AM (#24316174)
I don’t think people have realized that Zuckerberg’s intent is to be the Rupert Murdoch of the 21st century. He’s no ally of liberal society or democracy.
Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by dontcarethrow2 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:45AM (#24316877)
Investors don't mind, users don't seem to care. Can we pinpoint why it is 'bad'? People are making money, signs that the product brings 'value' to society. I am young, how much of the world has Murdoch influenced? Has it all been bad? Sounds like a player that made it. Do we change the game in this case?
Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by triceratops on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:46PM (#24321204)
> I am young, how much of the world has Murdoch influenced?

That's a testament to his influence, that you can't even imagine a different world.

> Has it all been bad?

Their stance about climate change alone is bad enough to wipe out anything positive they might have done. But yeah, nearly all of it has been bad.

> Sounds like a player that made it.

That's what people said about Stalin and Mao too.

Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by srean on Saturday August 29, 2020 @01:51PM (#24317988)
Well all those arguments could be made about slave trade to. People made money, investors liked it. Surely it brought value to the society.
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Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by dang on Saturday August 29, 2020 @02:50PM (#24318504)
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Re:Facebook’s ties to India’s ruling party complicate its fi... by pkphilip on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:51PM (#24377245)
I have been modded down as you can see. My comment was about Facebook being in cahoots with India's ruling party - the BJP.

And if you aren't aware BJP party in india is known to use a huge troll army to squash any dissent. This isn't my opinion. It is well documented.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/27/india-bjp-part...

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/09/11/bjp-may-have-create...