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Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by vr46 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:41AM (#24315690)
This sounds interesting, but not convinced since we could say that fairness mainly exists in the circumstances and rarely in the courts. At some point there is an upper limit to the relevant information available for any decision.

We could test this, I mean, suppose the invoices or even the details at the checkout broke down the total into developer’s fee, apple’s fee, government tax, and so everyone could see that, would that be sufficient to fix the problem? I suspect not, because Epic, in this story, are seeking to pay Apple less, and give themselves more - that’s really their bottom line.

Are they really going to all this trouble on my behalf?

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by thu2111 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @09:30AM (#24315938)
Well, hotel bills do routinely break out not just taxes but individual taxes. And it does matter. I just got back from a hotel where I was rather irritated to find that local taxes for just a 6 day stay added up to the cost of a very nice restaurant meal for two. That's worth knowing next time a politician talks about tax.

The hotel could treat such taxes as overheads and incorporate it into the price, but that's not really useful because they can't change it, only the customer can. Most business overheads aren't like that. If only a customer can affect a charge it makes sense to break it out and highlight it.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by chucksmash on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:08AM (#24316586)
Interesting take.

What if the shoe were on the other foot? What company would hire me if I negotiated a salary and then after we shook hands and everybody had the warm and fuzzies, I said, "Well now, you'll understand this is just the rate I charge, so it is exclusive of federal and state income tax. These are additional fees that I am responsible, by law, for collecting from you on behalf of the government. I've broken the numbers down this way in the interest of full transparency."

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by rolisz on Saturday August 29, 2020 @01:09PM (#24317593)
That's pretty much how it happens in Romania. All (or almost) salaries are negotiated post tax (so what gets payed out to me) and the employer is responsible for paying the appropriate taxes to the government.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by throwaway5792 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @02:01PM (#24318097)
What if you have other income from investments?
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by rolisz on Sunday August 30, 2020 @02:47AM (#24321812)
In that case you have to go to the tax office and file out some documents and then you pay the taxes for the investments separately.

There is a single income tax rate, 10%, so it doesn't matter how much you earn. If your investments make more than the annual minimum wage, you also have to pay the health insurance tax and "social security" tax.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by rescbr on Saturday August 29, 2020 @05:32PM (#24319577)
I assume it’s done the same way as any other withheld tax. The only difference is negotiating salary net of tax rather than ex-tax.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by LexGray on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:37AM (#24316822)
Did the hotel also break out their net profit after expenses, including how much had been paid to affiliates for booking?
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by bobdole12345 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:07PM (#24320307)
Hotel bills are broken out like that because the tax system allows many write-offs and reimbursements of many of those fees. They're broken down because they often go to different parts of the local, state and federal governments, and it's important that those seeking write off or reimbursement know who they need to claim those against.

Interestingly, many large companies use services for this kind of thing, much like Apples walled garden, where their employees can spend without worrying about tracking all these details, and the service takes care of all the (significant) legal wrangling and deal negotiation to make this simple.

That's essentially what Apple does for their money: makes it possible for users to buy things across a host of jurisdictions from an ecosystem of vendors, without risking their device security or payment security. There is a significant amount of legal and infrastructural wrangling involved, most of which the end customer, and many of the vendors don't fully understand.

But yeah, let us focus on the least important part: price.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by elif on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:50AM (#24316914)
Knowing that a city has a high hotel tax has driven me immediately to Airbnb in the past. Knowing the amount that I am overpaying for a service is a valuable capitalist function.