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Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rvz on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:59AM (#24305681)
Exactly. This is Google drawing the line on where this "hate speech" is from and they believe that such "content" can be accessed via the Fediverse.

To see how ridiculous this sounds, Google might as well completely take down the entire social media and internet browsing category on the Play Store since I keep seeing the same content from both extremes on all these platforms.

Just wait until you tell them to take down their own browser since you can find this "content" with a simple search. They will soon realise that "drawing the line on hate speech" is more tougher than solving leetcode CS questions.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by core-questions on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:12AM (#24305806)
> Just wait until you tell them to take down their own browser

Well, they're taking the address bar away, bit by bit; they have SafeSearch; and they have AMP. It's a very slow erosion, but there will come a point at which going outside of the list of officially acceptable sites will become more difficult - first with mandatory warnings, then maybe with mandatory reporting to law enforcement or whomever, and eventually not at all.

Yes, it sounds like a "slippery slope" argument, but we're a few steps down the slope now, and any argument that encourages us to climb back up has to point out where things may go if we don't resist.

It sucks that this requires us to defend the rights of people to speak whom we may intensely disagree with, but that's the crux of the matter. Either we become mature enough to understand that people will have discourse we dislike, and avoid it or engage with it as we see fit, or we continue to hide behind authority figures who will purport to keep us safe by controlling what we can say and think.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:12AM (#24305803)
The fascinating part of this is that Google has officially claimed the mantle of arbiter of what is allowed on the internet ( they are not exactly a gate keeper yet, but given how people have trouble accessing information outside FB, Apple, Google gardens, they are well on their way ).

edit: Trouble in a sense that it is inconvenient for them.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rootsudo on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:29AM (#24306017)
You are absolutely right, and this is scary.

Absolute fear.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by VLM on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:17PM (#24308238)
As the editor of the internet, are they not taking on full legal liability for anything they haven't blocked yet?
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by heavyset_go on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:06PM (#24308763)
No, and there are laws and tomes of case law that reinforce that no matter how much curation they do, an interactive computer service will not be held liable for user generated content.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by chrisco255 on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:15PM (#24310806)
Yeah but that can be changed with a simple act of Congress and it should be. Their support is rapidly eroding the more they flex their power.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by Nasrudith on Saturday August 29, 2020 @12:02AM (#24313366)
That would be an especially stupid move even for Congress. Expect to see either bland corporate content or goatse everywhere then.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by noworriesnate on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:11AM (#24305795)
I get what you're saying, but I don't think this is because Google cares about hate speech. Google is simply using hate speech as an excuse to get rid of apps that it doesn't like. Deciding which apps you like and which you don't isn't that hard of a line to draw.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by tachyonbeam on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:14PM (#24307392)
Google is politically very very left. I'm guessing that someone at Google may have browsed these apps, decided they didn't like what they saw, and pressured to have the apps banned. Obviously they can't do that to large players like Facebook, but small apps, they can easily crush, and nobody's going to do anything about it.

Image if Google decided to just block certain websites on Chrome, or if big tech got domain registrars to drop 4chan, or whatever humor websites they don't find amusing.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by passerby1 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @02:35AM (#24314129)
What prevents Google from stopping resolving some domains at 8.8.8.8?
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by dash2 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @03:39AM (#24314432)
That already happened with certain extremist Islamic websites.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by at_a_remove on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:43AM (#24316854)
I wonder if Cloudflare is still protecting ISIS sites from DDoSses and the like.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by tsherr on Friday August 28, 2020 @12:29PM (#24306820)
That's precisely what they are doing. They don't care about hate speech. If they did, they wouldn't have Trump ads on the YouTube banner.

This is justification to get rid of apps they don't like.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by djsumdog on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:09PM (#24307324)
Not allowing a parties political ads would be clear favoritism in a political situation. You might not like Trump, but it's quite the jump to say republican ads are "hate speech." .. in fact that's quite literally weaponizing the word "hate speech" to censor political opinions you don't like.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by VLM on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:19PM (#24308267)
Which is the whole point of hate speech laws. Can't market censorship of one party, but who could ever oppose censoring hate... then redefine hate to be anything you'd like censored, and ... that's what we have now.

Any time anyone complains about censorship, roll out the excuse of holocaust denial, regardless whats actually being censored.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by chrisco255 on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:18PM (#24310840)
Yes it's why freedom of speech is a thing. Ideas are meant to compete and the power to decide which ideas are acceptable is an absolute power that completely corrupts a society.
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Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by triceratops on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:43PM (#24312550)
> when they pretty much just stand for family, God, and loyalty to the country and ideals of individual freedom.

> You've flattened an extremely large diverse group of individuals into your caricature viewpoint.

I think you might've done that yourself.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by chrisco255 on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:46PM (#24313276)
I said pretty much to underscore I was generalizing and that there are many nuances there. But that is how conservatives self identify. You will find that in their music and their art and their culture in general. I'm not inventing hateful terms to turn you against them as OP was.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by joshuamorton on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:32PM (#24311021)
> Trump just negotiated a peace deal between Israel and UAE

There are lots of Christians who favor Israel but ultimately hold anti-Jewish opinions. This is weird, yes, but support of Israel should not be mistaken for support of Jews (the reverse is also, but only incidentally) true.

> Trump's son in law is Jewish.

So were Emil Maurice and Erhard Milch, at least according to German law. Didn't stop Hitler and Goering from making exceptions for them.

I have quite a few conservative friends. Most of them don't support Trump, because Trump isn't a conservative. He doesn't stand for God or individual freedom, nor does he stand for loyalty to the country. Don't conflate conservatives and Trump supporters. They're not the same thing, and trying to present a bait and switch between classical conservatism and Trumpism is a bad faith argument. This is why you see so many conservative politicians that are no longer in office supporting Biden over Trump. Because Trump doesn't extoll conservative values. Instead he represents a populist and proto-fascist wing with more than a couple white supremacist tendencies.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by chrisco255 on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:36PM (#24313215)
I travel all over the country. And I'm from a highly conservative area in Florida. Trump has 95% support in the Republican party. He's got tremendous support and enthusiasm.

Trump isn't racist at all. He was friends with Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Whitney Houston, etc. He actively tried to help Whitney from overdosing (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mike-love-to-t...). He calls as many victim's family members as he can, regardless of race. He calls every fallen soldier's family, regardless of their race or creed. He just pardoned a black woman who was put away for a non violent drug crime in the 90s. He signed criminal justice reform established opportunity zones in poor neighborhoods to encourage business investment. He supports school choice to help poor communities who are stuck with broken schools. He's got 11 members of his cabinet who are Jewish (Mnuchin, Friedman, etc).

He is pulling the troops out of Afghanistan: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/us-troops-afghanista...

There are more black Republicans running for office in 2020 than in 100 years. Trump has endorsed most of them, if not all of them.

Your tired talking points are just a symptom of a coordinated hit job and misinformation campaign.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rossjudson on Friday August 28, 2020 @12:01PM (#24306473)
And yet the rest of the category is still there. This is a great opportunity to put on your thinking hat.