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Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by Barrin92 on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:52AM (#24305590)
>It always starts like that.

many places have cultures and also law that for decades has worked perfectly fine reigning in the very worst forms of hate speeech (say holocaust denial in my country) while not descending into a sort of activism that starts to get silly.

There's no automatic mechanism that turns sensible rules into insensible ones, and it's also need not be the case with sensible hate speech rules.

With cases like Google's play store the issue seems more concrete. On the one hand it's the overwhelming power and lack of due process that large firms have over software. Decentralise this and put authority into the hands of people who know their networks and the situtation will imporove. Secondly it also seems to be a very activist employee base at companies like Google that's gone somewhat overboard. Again, an accountability issue. If these things were decided publicly, it would moderate to reasonable levels.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rightbyte on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:59AM (#24305677)
Historic revisionism as an subgroup of hate speech is a prime example of slippery slope and moving of definition. I would add "fake news" to hate speech.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by VLM on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:28PM (#24308362)
"Fake News" is merely the 7% of journalists who identify as Republicans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_State...

The problem is the political spectrum of journalists is wildly biased compared to the average citizen. This also apparently shows up with censorship of phone apps.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by triceratops on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:45PM (#24312564)
Why is that the case though? Do conservatives not like going into journalism? Or does become a journalist turn one away from conservatism?
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by VLM on Tuesday September 01, 2020 @12:03PM (#24343255)
Extremely hostile workplace environment. Like the southern jim crow experience.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by triceratops on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:15PM (#24455771)
Conservative journalists are lynched for sitting at the same lunch table as their non-conservative colleagues? I think I would've heard about that...
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by Barrin92 on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:07AM (#24305747)
sorry I have no idea what you're trying to say. Holocaust denial is generally considered to be both historical revisionism and hate speech, the former being a tool for the latter. Is this just semantics?
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by sumtechguy on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:28AM (#24306011)
Out of context is the favorite goto for most news orgs that want to push a particular set of ideals.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rightbyte on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:13PM (#24307372)
Ye it is semantics alright. Not taking the debate to the Holocaust, hate speech is not just incitement to hatred (quite broad) or incitement to crime (quite specific), against a group anymore. It is like "fake news", in that sense, when Trump comically turned the term against its creators.

I feel that when it comes to Google its not about if it is hate speech or not, but who controls it. I.e. Zuckerberg is fine although there are multiple long-lasting Facebook groups that have been used to incite crimes, but Aaron Swartz would not be (today). It is quite amusing how Facebook is not shut down in Europe even though many European countries would shut down any local company being so lax and arbitrary with moderation as Facebook.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by bluthru on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:24PM (#24310920)
>I would add "fake news" to hate speech.

What are you doing? Are you trying to ban speech you don't like? What body determines what is "fake news" and "hate speech"? It can't be done, which is why the only sane policy is free speech.

We have laws against violence, and it's a very clear line.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by rightbyte on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:20PM (#24311537)
Sorry, it was meant as rhetorical stupidity.
Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:08AM (#24305762)
And even that is destructive. The slippery slope of "speech I don't like" has a tendency to ever expand; not completely unlike, say, government. It is a very human tendency. This is the main reason, even small encroachment should be pointed out.

I think we are in agreement on Google's case in particular being a little more straight forward.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by tristor on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:13AM (#24305820)
Your suggestion sounds nice in principle, but how would you propose to create mandated democratic control of a corporate entity?

The only mechanism which exists I can think of would be to nationalize the corporate entity and have the folks controlling it be elected positions. That seems pretty extreme though as a response to a corporate entity becoming successful and growing enough that it influences the zeitgeist.

Re:Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps ... by valvar on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:20AM (#24305906)
That does not sound extreme at all to me. It would not need to be controlled by people in elected positions - it could just be mandated that employees have to follow a specific charter and be as neutral as possible. A bit like many national news services, like the BBC. Considering how much influence Alphabet's products (especially Search) have gained over everyone's lives, I think something like that is much overdue and the only reasonable solution. That, or extreme regulation. At the very least, the search algorithm should be made fully public.