Well... everyone could stop buying stuff on Amazon when you know it's mostly made in China, but then again everyone wants cheap 'stuff' (and iPhones).

The U.S. could follow India and adopt mandatory country of origin declaration requirements for ecommerce sellers. [1, 2]

Apple has shifted some manufacturing/assembly of iPhones to India, seemingly mostly for the local market [3] and perhaps EU [4], and AirPods to Vietnam [5].

1. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must...

2. https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/e-commerce-rules-cou...

3. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/24/iphone-se-assembled-in-...

4. https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/11/apple-exporting-iphone-...

5. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/07/22/new-2021-airpods-...

And than? The whole system depends on cheap supply of goods. Look what happend during the lookdown in China And it's not people want cheap stuff, most only can afford cheap stuff. Money is a finite source, the more some people have, the less have others.

We can get cheaper goods from other developing nations

Lower quality or equal worse human rights. You need a lot of man power and environmental ignorance to feed our needs.

China became a synonym of low quality, whereas Vietnam has an experience of being production hub for Nokia in a best company's years. Also, there are few countries where situation with human rights worse than in China. In India and Vietnam it is definitely better.

We buy a lot more than what we need, and typically disposable versions of that stuff.

Are you rallying?

I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

Meanwhile, Europe was filled with BLM protests.

Because it was the hip thing to do.

...Is your username using “gay” as an insult? I get it is “playful”, but a playful insult is still an insult.

If so, I kindly encourage you to consider a new username. It is sad to see people slurred just based on who they are.

Well thanks for phrasing that so nicely. I know it's offensive to some people but it's also exactly my kind of stupid humor. It's been a bit of a moral conundrum for me, I don't want to be an asshole to people who haven't done anything, but I also don't want to self censor. Currently though, for any new accounts that I create, I prefer another username anyway, but for this one, inertia is winning.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, I really appreciate it! Cheers.

Does the "hipness" of an idea that motivates legions of people to actively protest depend on the perceived average age and/or culture of said legions of people?

Systemic racism exists globally

Yes because it impacted local people as well. Not as bad as in the US but it’s not like there are no racists here

Believe it or not there are black people and racism in Europe as well.

What a joke, people are protesting the shitty police in the US.

Well they did. https://newspunch.com/american-companies-nazi-germany/

This continued up until the US actually declared war on Germany. Countries don't particularly care what other countries do in their borders. It's only when they start threatening other countries that you'll see hard actions taken.

On the one hand, we need an anti-CCP boycott of similar scale as the anti-Nazi boycotts of 1933 onward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_anti-Nazi_boycott

On the other hand, those boycotts pushed German Nazis to counter-boycott Jewish businesses and double down on anti-Jewish propaganda, and as far as I can read, didn't meaningfully hamper the escalation of Nazism toward war.

On the third hand, to do nothing is to side with the oppressor.

This. Thank you, we underestimate what we can do with our money. We can collectively bring an expansionist power China to a halt if we systematically boycott them.

No, we can't. Rather amusingly: if you stop buying Chinese electronics, how will you convince others to do the same? Ham radio? Even Fairphone weren't able to avoid China and their entire goal is to reduce human rights violations im their supply chain.

We need to start forcing companies to move production back home and we need to pay the 3x increase in prices that comes with that without as much as a single complaint. As long as our main concern is price, companies will outsource to poorer countries, which inevitably leads to exploitation.

We need governments to require full supply chain tracing, outlaw doing business with human rights violators and actually enforce all of that through regular inspections. If they find a single child worker in your supply chain, you have a month to stop doing business with them or pay 5% last year's revenue in fines.

This is what we have politics for. If you live in a democratic country, that's something you can actually do! Your money, however, is meaningless.

Raspberry Pi: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/made-in-the-uk

Librem 5 USA: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa

5G Blackberry, with no CCP components: https://www.engadget.com/5g-blackberry-keyboard-global-flags...

Apple, Samsung, and Sony are pulling manufacturing out of Communist China.

All of these are doing that because of either ethical (first 2) or political (the rest) reasons. They were not moved by people "voting with their wallet", nor could they be, as their products are not usable for the general public.

(I say this with nothing but respect for Librem and the Pi foundation. I'd get a Librem 5 if it didn't cost 5x as much as my car )

Maybe because they are already rallying for BLM? Americans are too busy before the election.

BLM and US police brutality has already been replaced by the Belarusian protests, even in Wikipedia's Ongoing events.

I guess everything's fine now.

Maybe the world has shifted its gaze but BLM protests are still going strong out here

Uhh, people are marching on the capital right now

It hasn't been widely covered outside of the anti-CCP sources. It seems to be gaining a bit of traction lately. If you are interested, Epoch times, BitterWinter and others have been covering this for a long time.

Establishment media partisans aren't shy about using Nazi comparisons. Over the past year you would have been more likely to hear criticisms of US immigration policies painted in this light.

> Epoch times ... I'm amazed by how brainwashed one has to be to regard Epoch times as a reliable outlet worthy of attention.

> Epoch times

Friendly reminder that The Epoch Times is not a reliable news source, it promotes far-right politics in Germany, usually publishes conspiracy theories including QAnon, and was deprecated as a source by Wikipedia in 2019 [1], which means all edits containing links to The Epoch Times will be automatically reverted.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deprecated_sources#C...

Just because something publishes conspiracy theories, doesn't mean it's always wrong. The US spying on its citizens was considered a conspiracy theory until Edward Snowden. A paedophile ring among the global elite was considered a conspiracy theory until Jeffrey Epstein. Most people in China would consider concentration camps in Xinjiang to be a conspiracy theory.

> Just because something publishes conspiracy theories, doesn't mean it's always wrong.

Of course. So I also mentioned the decision of Wikipedia community, at least they find the signal-to-noise ratio of The Epoch Times is low enough to be banned on their platform.

> Most people in China would consider concentration camps in Xinjiang to be a conspiracy theory.

Maybe. But as someone who fits your "people in China" criteria, I can add a data point: I myself and most of my friends actually don't consider the existence of these camps (or even forced labor) a conspiracy theory. We believe it. However we consider claims like "organ harvesting" a conspiracy theory. I'm unable to provide further insight on why we would think so though, so I guess you can claim I'm brainwashed, but I can say it would be much more complicated than that :-)

Thanks for your concern. I checked the source on the Wikipedia article.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending...

I didn't find any actual support for QANON in the article linked. After skimming it, it was simply a series of quotes from interviews with Q supporters.

https://outline.com/DYKJKK

Wikipedia has become politically charged. If you know of any other sources covering breaking news about the CCP's abuses and intrigues, I would be happy to hear about them.

Everyone has a bias. Adults should be capable of consuming information without gatekeepers deciding what is acceptable.

In the article you linked, you can find mentions of QAnon near the end:

> One such show is "Edge of Wonder," a verified YouTube channel that releases new NTD-produced videos twice every week and now has more than 33 million views. In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump.

> One QAnon video, titled “#QANON - 7 facts the MEDIA (MSM) Won’t Admit” has almost 1 million views on YouTube. Other videos in the channel’s QAnon playlist, which include videos about 9/11 conspiracy theories and one titled “13 BLOODLINES & their Diabolical End Game,” gained hundreds of thousands of views each.

> Travis View, a researcher and podcaster who studies the QAnon movement, said The Epoch Times has sanitized the conspiracy theory by pushing Spygate, which drops the wildest and more prurient details of QAnon while retaining its conspiratorial elements.

Note that links between this Youtube channel and The Epoch Times is not obvious, but the article you linked already covered that.

I've tried to verify the video [1], it seems to be taken down, but searching the link on Google resulted in various cross references on the Internet.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KGT_YboSA

This is a technique I often see from the fact-checking sources. A claim such as Spygate will be conflated with something more ridiculous like Q. The ridiculous is used to ridicule the first claim.

In fairness, Spygate is currently being investigated by the DOJ.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/us/politics/kevin-clinesm...

Attributing Spygate to Q is a convenient way to discredit it. Regardless, coverage of Spygate is not equivalent to propagating Q theories.

The entire discussion digresses from the topic at hand.

Russiagate is a conspiracy theory as well

What's happening with me is that I don't trust USA news sources on this topic. It is possible something is horrible is happening but there is so much propaganda people who might normally be concerned with this suspect it's a misdirection or scapegoating because of the US's catastrophic response to COVID19

It's the same reason a lot of right wing people who wouldn't be in favour of police brutalizing don't speak up - we become cynical and come to be believe we're being manipulated by selective reporting so when we should stand up for our values we don't because it looks like ceding ground to the enemy.

Now my account will probably shadowbanned because of emotional HN users but I don't think I'm mistaken about why there is apathy.

Are they our values if we don’t stand up for them?

Values! Let's talk about what is happening this minute. Somebody just talked to me and then disappeared. All sorts of people with political opinions are self editing and deleting their own comments - or being banned or shadowbanned because their opinions don't fit consensus.

It is difficult for anybody to stand for their values in these conditions. China does not pretend to be a politically free society - but I believe I'd have a better shot freely talking about Western politics on a Chinese service than an American internet service today.

People with my opinions are not a threat to the CCP - so I would be left alone. The number of times I've been banned for speaking simple opinions that just don't conform to the consensus of the hour is more than I can count. All from American web services. Even Sam Altman - who owns some of those services has said the same. It's the synchronization that is causing all the overreactions and underreactions to events.

There's a big difference between government censorship and internet company censorship. Both are problematic but other than that they aren't in the same league.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_...

Why a difference? Internet company censorship is at scale and often works to further censorship by other organizations - some of them are even governments.

Ignoring governments - who can have valid political and strategic reasons to be censors - the social media censorship is more serious because it is operating at the social layer - all those capillaries. Social consensus enforcement touches more people in everyday life.