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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by qzw on Thursday August 27, 2020 @01:44AM (#24290492)
Sure, there are all kinds of trade offs between speed, range, useful load, altitude, burn rate, etc. But it’s really the combination of 450, 4500, and 20+ that would make this plane revolutionary. Otherwise it wouldn’t be all that interesting. And if we are to take seriously their claim of competing with commercial aviation, then it would really have to perform pretty close to all three of those numbers at the same time to even have a chance.

Edit: just to add a few numbers from the back of my napkin. To go 4500 miles, it would probably need to do 20mpg anyway. That’s 225 gallons of fuel. JetA is 6.7lb/gl, so ~1500lb. Not sure a small plane could carry a whole lot more than that without giving up all the useful load. And if it can only cruise at ~300mph in order to go 4500 miles, then we’re looking at a 15-hour flight in a pretty confined space with likely fairly basic amenities. It’s not exactly bringing back the glamour of aviation.

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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by dzhiurgis on Thursday August 27, 2020 @08:40AM (#24293052)
I'd take any sleeping pod any time, even if I had to bring my own sandwiches, piss into a bottle and have 0 entertainment than sit for more than 8 hours in economy flight of any current airline.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by abrowne on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:42AM (#24293584)
I'd similarly prefer a low-headroom bunk bed. I think the problem is bracing for take-off and landing and evacuations.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by justinclift on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:41AM (#24291033)
Well, from London to New York is apparently about 3500 miles, and a 15 hour journey for that sounds reasonable.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by cerebellum42 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:01AM (#24291509)
A single engine plane is most likely not going to be used for ocean crossings regularly, for safety reasons, even if it is technically capable of it. Additionally, I'm not sure it has enough spare fuel reserves to make the trip with enough margin for error or unforeseen circumstances.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by VBprogrammer on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:46AM (#24291807)
Single engine aircraft with a range of around 800 miles are regularly ferried across the Atlantic. Now, I'm not for a minute suggesting that this is an everyday pleasure flight, it's something which takes planning, preparation and additional equipment. However, all I'm pointing out is that range would be the least of your problems if any of the claims prove true.

If you are interested this site gives a good overview of the routes and the legs involved http://220kts.com/ferry-flights/atlantic-ferry-routes.html

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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:56AM (#24292754)
Ferrying is not a paying passenger flight, correct?

How would single-engine craft comply with ETOPS - the relevant standard for passenger flights, or equivalent?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS

https://aerosavvy.com/etops/

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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by VBprogrammer on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:16AM (#24293920)
The short answer is they don't and it's pointless to ask about it since these flights are conducted under part 91 for private aviation. There is almost no charter or scheduled flights allowed on single engine aircraft in Europe and the few that do exist are using single engine turbines on an exemption (the exemption is based on the fact turbines have a demonstrated order of magnitude better reliability).
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by NovemberWhiskey on Thursday August 27, 2020 @11:27AM (#24294611)
This has changed relatively recently (2017) in the EASA rules and single-engine IFR charter flying is possible without special exemptions as long as the engine has demonstrated good reliability (basically it means turbine engines).
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by SideburnsOfDoom on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:47AM (#24294189)
> There is almost no charter or scheduled flights allowed on single engine aircraft in Europe

So, without new regulation, this aircraft will not carry out "charter or scheduled flights in Europe" ?

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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by sunstone on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:53AM (#24294259)
This airplane has a "2 in 1" engine. Two separate engines running on one physical engine block. So there is some engine redundancy.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by rhombocombus on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:43PM (#24299500)
yes but that really only matters if the second "engine" produces enough power for maneuvering if the first one fails. Plus, there is still mechanical interconnectedness so it isn't truly redundant. That said it is likely far safer than a traditional twin, the axiom with those is if you lose one engine the second will fly you all the way to the scene of the crash.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by sunstone on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:43PM (#24307746)
There's a link to the motor manufacturer in the article (but it's down right now). As I recall the two motors are identical with no common parts other than the engine block.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by richthegeek on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:03AM (#24291518)
Especially if you're saving time at either end by skipping all the Heathrow delays (long security checks, baggage check, etc)
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by jokowueu on Thursday August 27, 2020 @08:22AM (#24292920)
People who fly privately don't need to go through any checks ?
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by devdas on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:18AM (#24293370)
Not the ones protecting expensive commerical planes.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by jacquesm on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:46AM (#24293610)
And here I was thinking it was to protect the passengers.
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by DuskStar on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:57AM (#24293735)
No need to protect the passengers if there aren't any other people on your flight!
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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by TLightful on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:41AM (#24292221)
Only if it has cryosleep chambers on-board.
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