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Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by Retric on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:45PM (#24289939)
The Piaggio II (https://www.aircraftcompare.com/aircraft/piaggio-p180-avanti...) is missing several modern aerodynamic and efficiency features like winglets and gets 15MPG and has a 1600 Mile range. Significantly beating it’s fuel efficiency at similar speeds seems reasonable just eyeballing the two designs. Getting the full 20MPG at 450MPH might be a stretch, but it’s not all that unreasonable.

Also, higher aerodynamic efficiency means lower HP requirements. Moving that weight savings to fuel can boost range even further.

PS: Winglets are actually really old technology. It’s making the trade offs worth it including significantly increased weight at the wing tip that’s new.

Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by brunooo on Thursday August 27, 2020 @12:47AM (#24290206)
I’m not sure those mpg numbers are correct: the more fuel efficient Piaggio EVO update, with winglets etc, in the extended range version can hold about 450 gallons of Jet A and has a 1770nm range, so even with plenty of reserves that doesn’t get it anywhere above half of 15mpg (from what I can find IFR reserve comes out to 75 gallons, thus 4.72mpg nautical or 5.4 statute).

Which is why the jump in efficiency would be so extraordinary.

Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by sunstone on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:53AM (#24290784)
I recall from the last time this plane hit the news cycle that it is designed to cruise at 60,000 feet where air density is lower and better fuel efficiency can be had.
Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by VBprogrammer on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:25AM (#24292101)
To put that claim into context the manned single engine piston height record is held by a specially modified Rutan Long Ez and was around 35,000ft.
Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by mediaman on Thursday August 27, 2020 @11:17AM (#24294503)
Prop planes don’t work well at higher elevation. There’s nothing for the prop to work against. It’s why jet engines, with their compression, work better.

Props work better than jets at low elevation where the span of a propeller can work against a lot of high density air.

Re:The potentially revolutionary Celera 500L aircraft by snovv_crash on Thursday August 27, 2020 @01:17AM (#24290358)
Turboprops are less fuel efficient, they just have a higher power to weight ratio than piston engines.