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Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by shrubble on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @08:58AM (#24281994)
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Frédéric Bastiat

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by murbard2 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:10AM (#24283140)
Bastiat is specifically referring to rent seeking, occupational licensing, protectionism, etc.

The Bastiat quote is on point if your criticism of Purdue Pharma is that it profited from the medical licensing laws and drug prohibition laws that unfairly proscribes teenagers from buying madak cigarettes on the free market.

If the criticism is merely that they made money selling addictive drugs, this really isn't what the quote is about.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by Retric on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:58AM (#24283673)
a legal system that authorizes it

They did not make billions from selling yet another opioid of which there are dozens available cheaply. They made billions by subverting the medical system largely though completely legal means. Essentially they sold yet another synthetic street drug through Doctors rather than on street corners. And this worked because they jumped through the correct hoops and advertised in the correct manner.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by Nasrudith on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:01PM (#24287219)
That mischaracterizes street drugs in production quality, goal, and financial model. Viagra is closer to the model of endorsed recreational usage.

If they went and produced 'Oxycotin gets you high and it is legal!' like a head shop the operation would have not reached multimillion dollar size before it got cracked down.

Jumping through the hoops is the part the system understands as important though.

Those two differences although irrelevant to end outcome being bad and condemnable are pretty damn big distinctions akin to claiming you "unleashed a savage wolf to attack unsuspecting children" when you sold out a pit bull puppy who was sourced from a dog fighting ring and the dog mauled a kid who yanked on his tail.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by Retric on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:14PM (#24287349)
OxyContin was a massive street drug as it is and was literally sold on the street in massive quantities. The additional legal channel for the identical substance from the same manufacturer is both a legal and illegal at the same time. Which is why Bastiat‘s quote is so interesting in this context.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by kaesar14 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:42AM (#24283477)
Does it matter what the original intention of the quote is, if it perfectly captures the spirit of the current injustice?
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by bluntfang on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:30AM (#24282805)
I've been thinking about this a lot, and really believe America was founded on "breaking the rules" and has had really great successes, but really awful consequences. Specific to the pandemic, no one wants to wear a mask. We've been conditioned to believe that breaking the rules (ie disruption) is a good way to move forward.

Outside the pandemic, we see oil companies and other manufactures move their operations overseas to countries without power or understanding that the earth is being pillaged, or that the big company is there because they don't have modern labor laws or laws that protect their environment.

Hell, the amount of beer cans on the side of the road in my suburban neighborhood and surrounding parks areas indicates that there's a portion of the population that can't handle not drinking and driving.

I wonder if this is specific to America/capitalism, but I don't really have a frame of reference for other cultures that champion values like community over the individual, following the rules, etc.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by ashtonkem on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:56AM (#24283022)
> Specific to the pandemic, no one wants to wear a mask.

This is another one of those situations where the crazies are driving the conversation, because they are much louder than their actual portion of the population. According to Gallup the portion of their panel who “never” wear a mask outside of their home is 10%, while those who “rarely” wear a mask is 2%.

The vast majority of the population wears masks “always” (50%), “very often” (27%), or at least “sometimes” (11%). The vast majority of us are complying with mask regulations; we’re just not making a lot of noise about it.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by EForEndeavour on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:50AM (#24283559)
Are those Gallup results national-level? If so, then we all know that the 12% of "never or rarely" mask-wearers are unevenly distributed.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by MegaButts on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:33PM (#24284086)
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by anigbrowl on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @02:23PM (#24285532)
That's a nice sentiment, but it's built on the idea that one should just ignore the crazies and they'll automatically be marginalized. It doesn't address the situation where one big group decides to weaponize its finge contingent, or where an angry fringe forces itself into what was intended to be a less heated conversations, as in this recent example: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/905785548/unmasked-protesters...

They repeated the stunt approximately yesterday but one of the organizers was arrested this time; he handcuffed himself to a chair but didn't consider that it was on wheels, so they just rolled him out of the building. https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/906046911/ammon-bundy-is-arre...

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by ashtonkem on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:02PM (#24285977)
It’s only tangentially related to the point you’re making, but I think it’s hilarious the difference between how tough Bundy thought he was being, and the sad image of him being wheeled out of the legislature on the cheapest office chair Office Depot has to offer. He looks like a child that’s just realizing that holding his breath might not be an effective way to get what it wants.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by bluntfang on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:09AM (#24283130)
while the 12% that never/rarely wear a mask reflects your "vast majority of the population wears masks" statement, 12% is very significant.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by itronitron on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:52PM (#24284319)
A lot of US history boils down to criminals and cult leaders, whereas Europe is mostly about spoiled brats.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by Dirlewanger on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:52AM (#24282988)
Interesting take. I've always held that Americans only care about those that they can see from the edge of their property line (neighbors and whatnot). Everyone else? Fuck em. Distrust of all forms of government is practically bred into us, and it shows at all levels. Corporations have pretty much filled that power vacuum.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by ryandrake on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:57AM (#24283029)
Plus, we Americans embrace or at least excuse this corporate power. Elected government tries to control what we can say online? Censorship! Overreach! Unaccountable Facebook and Twitter try to control what we say online? Yes, please! No problem! If you don't like it, leave! It's not censorship because corporate power is doing it rather than government power!
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by cooljacob204 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:00AM (#24283058)
While I somewhat agree with the sentiment, there is a big difference between our government which has the power to take away our rights and a corporation censoring us.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by bluntfang on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @11:11AM (#24283150)
Is there a big difference though? Especially considering we got Zucked into believing that TikTok needs to be banned/sold to an American company?
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by TT3351 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @01:37PM (#24284925)
Wilding of America by Charles Derber is one text on this subject. It's an interesting theory. In another interpretation, the end of the frontier has also meant that the barbarism and roguery once relegated to the periphery of the country is now omnipresent.
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Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by spaceprison on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:29AM (#24282789)
The fact that they may be of Jewish heritage and are being criticised doesn't make the quote anti-semitic.

This family made billions as opium dealers whose impact has been seen nationwide. But since it was 'just business' they get to turn a blind eye to the impact.

I understood the quote to be a comment on the idea that once morality free enrichment becomes codified into law what would seem to be morally 'wrong' is justified and even looks 'good' since what they are doing is legal.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by metaloqui on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:17AM (#24282673)
How did you manage to connect that to antisemitism?
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by zentiggr on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:40AM (#24282894)
Looks trolly.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by justwalt on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @12:05PM (#24283772)
I think it’s an attempt to quote American Psycho, although it’s slightly wrong.
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by MRantiHATE on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:49AM (#24282964)
What other "groups" are the Sacklers a member of?
Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:53AM (#24282993)
> What other "groups" are the Sacklers a member of?

I took it to be a criticism of American culture.

Re:How the Sacklers shifted $10.8B of an opioid fortune buil... by rscho on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @10:54AM (#24283011)
Rich people. They come in all shape and size.