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Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by 3pt14159 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:51PM (#24273984)
What's needed is more cryptography. Build keys into sensors to sign media and use something like blockchain to broadcast the signature at time of capture / time when the device returns to the internet.

Won't be perfect, but it would be a hurdle. Also, for things like audio and video if you know the location on the planet then there are certain artifacts that are hard to fake with mere AI. The way sound bounces off walls in a room or shared environmental noise that other devices in the area would detect, like a plane flying by.

Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by qroshan on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:09PM (#24274195)
The problem with that is, the video can only be watched at it's true raw form. Any edits will need to be re-signed with "Edited by X". Now, X has to be trusted and not compromised (by money, bias or hacks).

If X is CNN, then half the population will not believe it. If X is Fox, the other half won't believe. Bottomline, the world will be truly living in virtual alternative universes and it doesn't even matter what truth is as long as everyone in that world believe that.

Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by uHuge on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:05PM (#24275510)
Watching and verifying are two separate procedures, if the edited piece has a link to the original source, the verification can pass to that.
Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by panda88888 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:18AM (#24280323)
This is actually a valid use case of blockchain, where each edit is signed by an entity in cascading fashion.
Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by withinboredom on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:35PM (#24274486)
> Build keys into sensors to sign media and use something like blockchain to broadcast the signature at time of capture / time when the device returns to the internet.

That literally accomplishes nothing. It would be a matter of time before someone just removes the light sensor (CCD? or something) and has a custom made encoder that can write the input data as though the device actually records it live.

Re:Beating Google ReCaptcha and the funCaptcha using AWS Rek... by 3pt14159 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @03:04PM (#24274791)
Yes, like I said, it's not perfect. There will still be deepfakes, but they won't be around every single nook and cranny. And once you ever invalidate a video, all other works by the same key are now suspect.

Imagine two court cases. In one, there is a video signed with a key from a phone that shows no signs of compromise. In the other, there is a video with no signatures at all. Which is more trustworthy? It's a continuum, not a binary.

Edit:

And also, we can scale trust. There should be more webs-of-trust in the world. I should be able to tap my phone next to my buddies and it should create a link between us. We should have the concept of trust online when we need it.