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Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by newsclues on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:46AM (#24271853)
And convince Apple to build a fab?
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by burnte on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:50AM (#24271895)
Exactly. Apple could build a fab and expend a few percent of their cache of cash.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by magicsmoke on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:59AM (#24271985)
If money's all that's needed to build a fab to match TSMC's 5 nm without prior experience then their biggest competitor would be China's SMIC. They have unlimited funding from the Chinese government because an embargo hurts China's electronics industry a lot more than just price gouging. SMIC, a company with unlimited funding to poach TSMC engineers and actual experience with chip fabrication is still 2 gens behind. Apple's not going to do any better.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by AgloeDreams on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:15AM (#24272200)
I mean, it worked for chip design.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by tooltalk on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @03:23PM (#24275015)
Apple's breakthrough came years after acquiring PA semi and Intrinsity -- and neither required $10B in annual CAPEX to maintain their lead in chip design.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by newsclues on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:58AM (#24271972)
I think Taiwanese engineers rather work for Apple in the USA than for the State owned companies in mainland China.

They have the money and can attract the talent

Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by radicaldreamer on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:15AM (#24272197)
TSMC is already a major Apple partner, Apple had no reason to start a talent war here. Remember, Apple squeezes suppliers and labor (wage fixing from the Steve Jobs days).

They only build their own stuff when they see a competitive advantage to doing so — when IBM stopped delivering on chip efficiency or when Intel’s chips started stagnating.

Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by baybal2 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @01:08PM (#24273513)
TSMC is known to be very selective with cadres. People who are given "keys to the kingdom" are selected among all things upon loyalty. Take a look on their number of GMs, and VPs with 10+ years of work at TSMC. At the highest levels, TSMC kind of stops being a company, and starts looking like a fraternity.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by nabla9 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:10AM (#24272131)
You can't just create new fab with money.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by coredog64 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:31AM (#24272384)
There are other fabs in the world outside of Taiwan. It would be within the realm of possibility that Apple could purchase a company with good but not great fab capabilities and improve output with strategic hiring.
Re:‘Better Yield on 5nm Than 7nm’: TSMC Update on Defect Rat... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @04:30PM (#24275751)
Like they did with an electric car?