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Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by spinach on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:34AM (#24270262)
Would you yourself go to a concert at this time?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by tbronchain on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:59AM (#24270449)
Definitely.

Wear a mask, wash your hands, try to keep some sort of distance with people, don't go if you feel sick and try taking care of your immune system as much as you can before/after. Expect people having some sort of respect and do the same. Outdoor events would be a much bigger yes compared to indoor (note: concerts doesn't mean stacked onto each other's).

Of course, tests must be ubiquitous and this shouldn't happen while in an area having a peak of the epidemy. Restricting contacts with fragile people would also be wise.

I've been to hundreds of concerts/events and rarely been sick after one. Risks to catch a disease are in my opinion not higher than public transports or a crowded beach and probably lower than bars in general.

We need to stop this non-sense.

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by gnusty_gnurc on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:24AM (#24270589)
There's something innate about shaming people who do different things.

People are feeding off of panic and constant dread. If you don't affirm their apocalypse delusions you'll be shamed.

You'll be told attending a concert or even wanting to is a sign you're a selfish misanthrope and idiot.

They could just indefinitely stay locked in their home if they feel the risk is that grave...but no, they'll stop at nothing to extend their agoraphobia to everyone.

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by patrickk on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:34AM (#24272419)
> don't go if you feel sick

Sadly, selfish people will abuse this. They'll go even if they feel sick, likely justifying it as "but I already bought my ticket". Asymptomatic people will also increase the risk.

> Of course, tests must be ubiquitous and this shouldn't happen while in an area having a peak of the epidemy.

Anecdotally, a doctor I went to recently told me that the standard swab test is likely to be ruled invalid in the near future, he referenced a study that should be published soon.

So, we will be flying blind if large (indoor) events re-open.

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by haunter on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:37AM (#24270282)
In Germany? Yes. In the US? Absolutely not.

I'm in Hungary and was at a jazz concert myself this weekend

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by Eldt on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:43AM (#24270332)
What do you think your chances of catching and spreading the virus are?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by matz1 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:15AM (#24270529)
I'm not a music fan but if I were I absolutely will go. The risk are minimal. The virus spread easily but not that dangerous. In fact I've been living my life as normal as I could possibly do all these times.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by dboreham on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:22AM (#24270574)
The issue isn't the risk to yourself, which is minimal. The problem is that spreading the virus widely (which seems easy to do at crowded events, precise transmission model not yet known) ultimately results in a bunch of other people somewhere in the future ending up in hospital or dead.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by lagadu on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:52AM (#24271336)
Infectious diseases are older than humanity. Hell, bad years of flu killed more than covid yet we didn't cancel any types of events.

Some people dying to contagious diseases is something our species has always coexisted with. Neither the flu, nor dengue nor covid are ever going to go away.

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by matz1 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:26AM (#24270607)
I understand that, that is the case with any infections diseases but covid death rate are very low. Most people are either asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms.

Do you drive personal vehicle at all ? However safe you are you have non zero chance to kill other people somewhere in the future.

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by rorykoehler on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:59AM (#24270840)
If you kill someone in a car crash they don’t go on to kill 5 more people in another car crash.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by matz1 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @12:16PM (#24272909)
How do you come up with this number?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by rorykoehler on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:26PM (#24274389)
Car crashes don't have viral properties. Better?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by matz1 on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @02:35PM (#24274488)
It doesn't but still have non zero chance to kill other people.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by gnusty_gnurc on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @08:26AM (#24270605)
How many people have you killed if you were ever infected with flu or some other airborne virus? This thinking is absurd.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by rorykoehler on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:00AM (#24270847)
A champions league game was the source of a major spike in both Italy and Spain and ended up killing thousands.
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by gnusty_gnurc on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:07AM (#24270899)
By that logic, China killed a million ppl?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by rorykoehler on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @10:57AM (#24271964)
I expect more intellectual honesty and curiosity on this site tbh. Please don’t purposely reduce the quality of the experience here. Some context

>The match is being called "Game Zero" because it was played just two days before the first positive case of COVID-19 was confirmed in Italy. The head of pulmonology at a Bergamo hospital, which is outside of Milan and the usual home of Atalanta, recently described the Champions League match as "a biological bomb." There were also about 2,500 Valencia fans in the stands for the match, and 35 percent of Valencia's team tested positive for the coronavirus a few weeks later.

>Bergamo Mayor Giorgio Gori echoed that statement.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/coronavirus-how-a-cham...

More sources.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA-Champions-League-Achtelfi...

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by gnusty_gnurc on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @11:33AM (#24272409)
So a mayor and head of pulmonology offered qualitative descriptions of something that's ultimately a matter of epidemiology and data collection?

I'm having a hard time with these articles that take quotes with extreme language and pass it off as definitive evidence of reality.

Anyone can call something a "biological bomb" - where's the studies?

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by gridlockd on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:47AM (#24271273)
We have accepted this risk with infectious diseases for the longest time. What has changed?
Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by vanilla-almond on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @07:59AM (#24270448)
Would you yourself go to a concert at this time?

This socially-distanced outdoor concert in Newcastle (in the UK) doesn't seem too bad. Everyone has their own 'pod'. However, it's not suitable for indoor concerts and the extra logistics might make it too impractical even for outdoor concerts.

Pic of the setup: https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_1100,c_fill,g_aut...

Here's a write-up of what it was like to attend:

This is what it was like to attend the UK’s first ever socially distanced gig:

https://thetab.com/uk/2020/08/14/this-is-what-it-was-like-to...

Re:Coronavirus: Germany puts on crowded concerts to study risks by lagadu on Tuesday August 25, 2020 @09:48AM (#24271282)
I've already been to concerts this month, so yea. Lots of Europe already restarted large gatherings.