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Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by azinman2 on Sunday August 23, 2020 @03:08PM (#24254423)
Is it really true that it’s inert? I thought making solar panels was a pretty toxic endeavor, which is in part why so many are made in China. Is it just in the manufacturing or in the final product too?
Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by me_me_me on Sunday August 23, 2020 @03:23PM (#24254546)
> which is in part why so many are made in China

No, China actively bought the tech and move the production into mainland china. Closing down boughtout businesses after all knowledge was absorbed.

Their strategy was to become market leader in solar - its a good future bet.

Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by agumonkey on Sunday August 23, 2020 @03:17PM (#24254509)
The silicon purification uses loads of fluor based acid IIRC. But the cell in itself is mostly Si + some minute amount of other metals (layers and pads).

Lastly there's the resin and framing.

Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by pfdietz on Sunday August 23, 2020 @07:04PM (#24256034)
Purification of silicon is by conversion to trichlorosilane, followed by distillation. No fluorine is involved.

The side by products of this process are very quickly hydrolyzed to silica and hydrochloric acid, neither of which is something to worry about as a persistent pollutant.

The volumes are also small. Just a few hundred thousand tons of silicon are used every year for all electronics (PV and ICs combined).

Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by unpolloloco on Sunday August 23, 2020 @08:10PM (#24256413)
HF is used in boatloads for silicon wafer manufacturing. Not sure about solar. This might be what they're referring to?

But...(at least in the US), wafer manufacturing is highly regulated and focused on safe waste handling...

Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by pfdietz on Monday August 24, 2020 @06:40AM (#24259306)
I'm not sure how much that is, though. On the other hand, manufacture of aluminum from ore requires several kilograms of HF per ton of aluminum. So perhaps the HF usage in PV manufacture is dominated by the production of the aluminum frames for the modules.

I think the dominant consumer of HF, industrially, is in petroleum refineries, where HF is used in alkylation units.

Re:Solar panels are starting to die, leaving behind toxic trash by agumonkey on Monday August 24, 2020 @11:22AM (#24261515)
As you wish.