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Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by ip26 on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:36PM (#24236399)
Are you similarly critical of discussions about how ubiquitous camera phones have changed the civil rights movement?

Technology is only a tool, and is only as good as what people actually do with it. But it can be a crucial tool that changes everything.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by echelon on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:38PM (#24236420)
I don't think so.

Calling it "{arbitrary brand} revolution", when pretty much every messaging platform is indistinguishable feels crass and tacky. The brand isn't the one in the trenches making the sacrifices.

It could be called a smart phone revolution instead. A revolution of the people.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by jgilias on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:49PM (#24236554)
It was reported that Telegram was the only thing that somewhat kept working when the internet was down country wide.

Also, I installed Telegram for the explicit purpose of following the events in Belarus directly from sources. By doing that I noticed that apparently the local press in my country have done the same, as it seemed that most of the updates in online media have come from the same Telegram channels. So, it has also served the role of information dissemination beyond the borders of Belarus at a time when journalists working there were harassed and sometimes imprisoned.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by ddorian43 on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:51PM (#24236582)
Uhhh how did it work when the internet went down ?
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by jgilias on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:59PM (#24236673)
Yeah, no idea really. It'd be nice to find out from someone more in the know. Was the internet merely heavily deteriorated instead of shut down completely?

I also read that most of the VPNs wouldn't work, with the exception of psiphon.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by detaro on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:39PM (#24237083)
They didn't fully shut down the internet the entire time. I.e. at least for a while, apparently port 80 was still open when other things were blocked.
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by JosephHatfield on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:42PM (#24237124)
I believe the Telegram app has a peer-to-peer feature that allows communication to be routed through other devices rather than requiring communication with the Telegram servers
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by shawnz on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:16PM (#24237426)
That is not the case. It is a plain old client-server architecture.

You might be thinking of FireChat.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by pesfandiar on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:57PM (#24236654)
Nobody sees "Telegram revolution" and thinks the revolution was all about or solely enabled by the brand/technology. It's just a unique aspect of the revolution used to identify it. A good example of how a brand/technology was used to name (but not describe) an event over 30 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by dgellow on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:48PM (#24236546)
Telegram has some distinct features that makes it quite good during protests:

- location based chats, you see people around and can start a local group. So you can easily get in contact with other protestors around you.

- Broadcasting channels

- Not by default, but you can creat encrypted chats, with auto destruction

- Since a few days, encrypted video calls

- Not owned by Facebook

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by ROARosen on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:56PM (#24236647)
>- Not owned by Facebook

"nine out of ten Egyptians and Tunisians responded to a poll that they used Facebook to organise protests and spread awareness" [1]

"During the Arab Spring the number of users of social networks, especially Facebook, rose dramatically in most Arab countries, particularly in those where political uprising took place, with the exception of Libya, which at the time had low Internet access preventing people from doing so" [1]

As far as I'm aware Facebook is actually owned by Facebook.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spri...

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by dgellow on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:03PM (#24236717)
I don’t get your point. Telegram is not owned by Facebook. A potential alternative, WhatsApp, is owned by Facebook. That’s the point I was going for.

And you have a huge difference between Facebook 2010 and 2020.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by lordnacho on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:02PM (#24236703)
Facebook 2020 isn't the same as Facebook 2010. Their public image has changed a lot in between.
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by ROARosen on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:05PM (#24236732)
> Their public image has changed a lot in between.

Keyword "public". It is the same useful for protests as it was then.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by stjohnswarts on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:29PM (#24236990)
However they have only gotten worse over time. It's just now that they're willing to block some far right/far left groups trying to fraudulently dump info in the form of ads and memes on Facebook.
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by postnihilism on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:11PM (#24236802)
Given the relationship the current US administration has with Russia, it seems like Facebook would be a less welcome alternative for a pro-democracy Belarusian protestor.
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by newscracker on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:10PM (#24238428)
> Since a few days, encrypted video calls

Careful though, since video calls are currently in alpha.

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by znpy on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:02PM (#24236696)
Except that isn't the case.

Reportedly, Telegram has kept working when other apps did not.

That makes it a "telegram revolution".

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by ip26 on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:40PM (#24236454)
In defense of the journalist, it's a direct quote from a protester who is presumably in the trenches making the sacrifices.
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by stjohnswarts on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:27PM (#24236968)
Well telegram is what they're using, do you suggest that the name of the app be left out of the article? The statements are coming from excited & anxious activists. Of course they're going to be overstated. I hope they are successful in their peaceful coupe and get honest elections. Can't you just have hope for them as well?
Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by Barrin92 on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:45PM (#24237148)
>But it can be a crucial tool that changes everything.

this is the exact same narrative that took place when the Arab Spring happened. What determines the success of revolutions isn't what makes the news media, it's what happens on day 1 after the revolution is over and the cameras are turned off

Re:Telegram messaging app proves crucial to Belarus protests by jancsika on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:44PM (#24236503)
You're not disagreeing with OP's point that this is "tech propaganda at its best."

Same logic would apply if, say, a camera company had tried to brand Selma.